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All Forum Posts by: Bruce Lee

Bruce Lee has started 2 posts and replied 35 times.

Post: Text messages for unsolicited offers to buy house -- REMOVE ME!

Bruce LeePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 37

I forward these to 7726.

But...
"thanks for reaching out but we are currently only working with more sophisticated investors and buyers"
...is a classic!  Thx! LOL

Post: New to REI & Indy - Looking to build a team, let's connect!

Bruce LeePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 37

I wanted to add one to this response here.  I've started the blog - it's coming along nicely now.  But your question about how did I get things started Out Of State (i.e. "Long Distance Real Estate Investing") is an interesting one.  As mentioned, my realtor #Cory Robinson found a 2Br / 1Bath duplex on Riley Ave - about 6 blocks from where I would eventually call HOME here in Indy.  

The deal was for sale on the MLS in April 2018, and wasn't having much interest from buyers at $85K. Long-term tenants were already living in both units - a 6 year tenant in one side, and a 3 year tenant in the other - tenants who are still in the units TODAY, but now under Better Managed Properties LLC leases. Both units had lots of "deferred maintenance" - 10 year old carpet, no repainting for at least 10 years, stick-on tile-laminate-flooring in both kitchens were peeling and looked awful (and still do). There was some exterior cleanup needed - flashing around the chimney, clean-out of the gutters, and overgrown shrub removal - that took a weekend to finish up. I'm planning to do the kitchen floor work, and painting on the flip if either of these tenants leaves. The tenants do not think of me as the 'owner', and I always represent myself as "A Property Manager" with the faceless corporation Better Managed Properties LLC. So far they're happy with me as Property Manager, call whenever there's an issue (it's happened 3 times in 2 years so far) and mostly pay the rent on-time. When not on-time, they pay the late fees as assessed.
 
I closed the purchase remotely, signing documents electronically, and got the keys in-the-mail. The next time I returned to Indy, the weekend was spent cleaning the yard, and doing chimney flashing and gutter cleaning. Naturally the cost for the cleaning trip was deductible off my 2018 income taxes as a business expense.

I had already decided I was moving to Indianapolis, so I didn't hire a Property Manager - choosing instead to DIY the property management work.  I enjoy home improvement / rehab work, so I pulled out my tool belt, and went to work fixing things. 

New skills learned:  re-keying doorknob locksets.  In the time after purchasing the first TURN-KEY duplex, I used YouTube videos (like this one) and other on-line resources to learn how to re-key locks.  It's easy enough to purchase a lock at the home center, and for $5 have them re-key it to your existing key, but with a little on-line learning now I can do it myself.  A rekeying kit is a must have (IMHO) for a property manager.  I purchased THIS ONE - it includes pins, springs, a pickle-fork, and key-guage for kwikset locks.

When first purchased, each unit had FIVE (5x) keys per unit!  One of the tenants only had 1 key - the key to the front door, so I used that key as the pattern to re-key ALL the other locks to match the front-door key.  I repaired a malfunctioning garage door opener in one unit, ordered a replacement key-fob online, and gave it to the renter.  

If I had decided to have a PM company do the work, they would have come up with new leases, done the maintenance work for me, etc. based on what I wanted to have done.  In the 2 years I've owned the properties, the only remodel work done was to install laminate flooring in high traffic areas - such as the living room and hallways of both units.  New carpet was installed in the bedroom for one unit, the other tenant wanted laminate flooring, so I obliged.  I found a great deal on laminate flooring at the local Ollie's Bargain Outlet, used a miter saw to cut pieces to fit, and click them into place.  Finish work was installing white quarter-round molding around the baseboards.  I spent $600 for laminate flooring for BOTH sides, and four 8-hour days on each.  I paid Home Depot carpet layers to install 1 bedroom of carpet - I let the tenant pick the carpet from a selection of samples, and the tenant now thinks of it as HIS carpet.  So far, it has been well taken care of. 

Post: New to REI & Indy - Looking to build a team, let's connect!

Bruce LeePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 37

@Stanislav Perevozchikov... you've asked some good questions.  But questions that are probably BEYOND the scope of this post.  But I've answered these questions a number of times on the various FIRE / Investing / Real Estate websites I read.  Because of this, I'm in the process of collecting that info, and publishing it as a Blog.  Right here on Bigger Pockets.

I promise I'll answer, but today I need to finish a project.  Ping me via messages if I don't keep at it. 

Just started:  "Landlords On FIRE"  https://www.biggerpockets.com/... 

Post: New to REI & Indy - Looking to build a team, let's connect!

Bruce LeePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 37

I picked Indy, THEN picked my team. I did as much tele-house hunting as I could, then lined up a weekend trip to "interview" realtors. Got 3 realtor referrals from BP (here), and set appointments to see them in-Indy. I picked out three (3x) addresses for each realtor - properties I thought looked interesting as picked from the MLS/Zillow listings. With one trick: 1 house I'd looked at A LOT on-line, I assigned to ALL THREE realtors, so each could show it to me, and I would note the way they showed it, their feedback, and style. I also asked them to show me other properties THEY thought might be in my 'wheelhouse' based on the one's I gave them.

Results:  First realtor was on his phone most of the time, and was more interested in getting a sale than in the needs of a RE investor / property manager.  Second realtor was more investor-centric - giving feedback on what new windows would cost, and an average of what reno costs would be overall with contractors and whether his team could do the work.  His company also did Property Management work for $X/per-door (which STILL sounds good to me).  Third realtor didn't register much as he was disinterested in showing me the houses, and said he would have to go to another appointment after the 'common' house.  He didn't try to setup another time later, or anything that seemed like someone who wanted to help an investor find a RE 'match'.  From the 'common' house, I got much better feedback from Realtor2 who showed the attic space in the house that I HAD NOT NOTICED.  There was potentially an entire other FLOOR of livable space that the two other realtors (and I) completely MISSED.  In the end, I chose Realtor #2, got references from some of his other investor clients, and ended up buying my 1st deal through him - a property HE brought to the table, and has turned out to be one of my best duplexes.  

Realtor reference: Cory Robinson @ City Place Indy. https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Post: New to REI & Indy - Looking to build a team, let's connect!

Bruce LeePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 37

I'm sure you know there's a lot of Indy based property research you can do remotely from anywhere - I'll list some resources below.  I'm local now, but started OOS, walked a lot of properties using Google street view, Zillow/RedFin/Realtor.com, and used the Marion county property cards to see what the city/county thinks of properties.  

The Google map for Indianapolis REI is a must use.

Also, when you've identified the properties you want, use the citizen access portal (no account needed to use the Search function) to check the 'Enforcement' tab for outstanding issues the city/county has with the property, AND to see what issues have come up in the past.  

Use a crime map tool if that's something you like - I do this last of all.  

I also look at renter vs owner ratios in neighborhoods with an eye toward investing in neighborhoods with higher OWNER ratios.  

Do you know your target property? Mine is a 3br 1+ba bought for ~$95 that's rentable with ~$5K-to-$10K renovation budget for $1K/month. Whether SFH or 2-to-4 MFH doesn't matter as much as the bottom line. Since I'm now local, I want my properties to be near my home, and other properties. Find a good PM company: even if you plan to PM for yourself, pick a PM company as an 'exit strategy' in case you no longer want to DIY the PM work. Ask 10 people, and you'll get 10 different opinions on Indy PM's to use, streets/neighborhoods to invest in, etc. You MUST KNOW WHAT *YOU* ARE COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH before you really dive in. For myself, it was a 'deal that got away' - Dual duplex's on one property that would have have cost $80/door, and generated $1.1K monthly income - that helped set the "bar" for what I look for in a deal. Take advice with a grain of salt, and ask "what are THEY getting out of this"? Some folks are paying it forward, while others are just trying to line their pockets a little more. Be aware, and work with people who are like minded.

May you find your way as well.  All the best, and Welcome to Indy!

Resources mentioned above:
1. Sterling White's:  "Guide to Grading Indianapolis Neighborhoods" https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/guide-grading-indianapolis-neighborhoods

2. Citizen's Access portal:  click the 'Enforcement' tab, and enter the address of the property you're researching to see if there are any warrants, or nuisance reports (tall grass, drugs, trash, etc)   https://accela9ca.indy.gov/citizenaccess/

3. 2010 Census dot map of Renters vs Owners.  Use 'Shift-click' to zoom out, scroll around, and 'Click' to zoom in. http://ryantm.io/population/

4. Tax Assessor Property Cards - search by address to see the purchase history on target properties.  http://maps.indy.gov/AssessorPropertyCards/







 

Post: How can I do a text message campaign?

Bruce LeePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 37

Apologies in advance for the ‘magazine’ response...

I identify, and work with a team in my target markets, of which a goof REI savvy realtor is a key team member. They forward deals they're made aware of, and I evaluate them against my criteria. Those criteria took some time to develop, but I narrowed down what I'm looking for to something specific (3br / 1+ba that all-in costs less than $100k and rents for $1k/mth - duplexes ~$160k bringing in similar rents). I also like doing my own rehab work, I'm willing to hire workers for tasks I don't want to do myself (roofing, painting, carpet, etc) but I've done most of these tasks and more. My realtor team member also sets me up with a daily email that notes additions to the MLS that meet my criteria. When I click on these, I can search the MLS for other criteria and/or neighborhoods - sometimes Zillow/ Trulia / Realtor.com just aren't up-to-date so this is very helpful. I walk properties and evaluate them, and end up buying maybe 1 of 10 for whatever reason. I've learned my target neighborhoods well, and know a "deal I can't refuse" when I see it.

A key deal for me was ‘the one that got away'. My realtor emailed and texted me about a deal that he thought wouldn't last, and suggested we get right on it . I ran the numbers and it looked good. So I set up my ‘boots on the ground' person to Skype/FaceTime the property walkthrough for the next morning. But the house went pending that same day/afternoon. I reverse engineered that deal's numbers, and realized it was the ideal project scope, ROI, and cash-on-cash deal for what *I* was looking for in a long term rental.

There are other sources - the FHA website where you can buy a house and take over it's FHA loan, but I've never found a deal on this site I liked. There is this idea tha one can have up to 10 mortgages if you go through this method, but I have yet to meet someone who has done it successfully.

I've bought and sold enough houses that I know what to look for in a flip, a BRRRR, and a long-term hold (that I PM myself until my fleet of doors gets too large to handle - and I've identified a PM company or 2 that I would be willing to turn the PM responsibilities over to once I no longer want to be as deeply hands-on.

But for now, I’m wary of many who simply want to make-a-buck, try to avoid hucksters, and realize *I* do a better job managing my RE investments than a stranger. So for now I DIY my PM work. And yes, I’m willing to help others run the numbers, or even walk through houses via FaceTime as others have done for me. But so far haven’t had any takers with targeted properties. Caveat:  my investment goals may not be the same as other investors, but at least we’re up front about that going in.

Post: How can I do a text message campaign?

Bruce LeePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 37

My advice on a text message 'direct campaign' is:  

      Please DON'T!!

(hey, I said 'please')

My last few gigs before 'retiring' and doing REI full-time was at a little cellular company called T-Mobile. Currently, 'spam calls', and 'spam texts' are the number one item on ALL cellular providers' complaint lists. It's gotten so bad lately that Congress has begun talking about creating laws making it easier for cellular providers to BLOCK such behavior.

If you want your number blocked by your cellular provider for ALL text messages, and/or to start receiving penalties & court summons for being on the sending end of something that customers PAY TO RECEIVE, then start a direct SMS/TEXT campaign.  Only please do NOT include me in the list.  

The FCC is working on legislation now (at the providers', and customers' request) to make it easier for cell companies to stop these practices.  My recommendation as a recent insider:  Do Not Do It

- - - - -

As an aside, I also live in a neighborhood that receives our fair share of "Hey, I want to buy your house" direct marketing mail pieces. It's annoying. If I wanted to sell the property I just bought, and am rehabbing to turn into a rental to keep me 'retired' for years to come, I would list it with a wholesaler, or on the MLS! So to those reading this thread: please stop. Your results may look significant when you do the math on 'cards sent / deals done', but as a recipient of these, I would never do this as I don't like being on the receiving end of these, and watching other RE investors waste the postage (even if it is pennies per card). I know those committed to this strategy don't want to hear this, but please - it only damages the credibility of RE Investors. And for those of us who actually LIVE in these 'targeted zip codes', and are trying to improve the conditions in our neighborhoods, direct mail is not seen as a helpful practice. Try putting the shoe on the other foot for a second: if YOU wanted to do business with someone, would YOU do business with someone as a result of spam e-mail/snail-mail?

Post: Looking to link up with people from Indianapolis!

Bruce LeePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 37

Absolutely. That's the way I did it before I moved to Indy to make my Indianapolis REI business a full time venture (from the Seattle area)

Post: Looking to link up with people from Indianapolis!

Bruce LeePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 37

Understood.  Airfare is apparently higher during Memorial Day weekend due to the INDY 500 race.  

You’ve checked out the Indianapolis ‘Investors guide to grading INDY neighborhoods’ no doubt...  My take on this map is it seems pretty accurate even though investing here can be vastly different on a street by street basis.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/guide-grading-indianapolis-neighborhoods/

Post: Looking to link up with people from Indianapolis!

Bruce LeePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 37

Are you coming for the 500, and checking out RE while here?