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All Forum Posts by: Brian Hughes

Brian Hughes has started 9 posts and replied 267 times.

Post: Opinions on building rentals.

Brian HughesPosted
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 220

Are you near seattle,  or IN seattle?    big difference.    I would be careful that the price for the spec home may not include all the costs.   It surely doesn't include taxes;  that will add 10% sales tax.  It probably also doesn't include all the city of seattle permitting fees, site surveys, and who knows what else and 10% of job value for permit to city of seattle.   Depending on the location and zoning you may also need to pay the MHA tax (tax on housing to build housing).   Seattle has some pretty agressive drainage management requirements and other site prep requirements as well that probably aren't part of the standard spec house prices.

Also I would be very surprised to find a $100K (full sized) buildable lot in seattle proper in a location that would be a good place to build a SFR. It is theoretically possible I suppose for a single townhouse lot, RSL lot, or below-minimum-size lot (meaning some kind of variance needed to build so you would be at mercy of seattle DPD and any neighbors with axes to grind) to be priced about like that.

However,  a $100K lot maybe isn't out of the question in various municipalities just south of seattle proper;  obviously getting more common the farther out you go.    Still, any close in lot probably won't be a 'prime' lot for various reasons.

Post: South Park (Seattle) Multi-family Landscape

Brian HughesPosted
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 220

I have a small MF  (triplex)  In SP.   I've owned it since 2006 ;  it was my first multifamily and originally a house hack.

SP is one of seattle's smallest neighborhoods,  and is located along the south edge of seattle.   It is wedged between the Duwamish river and the bluff below highland park / white center to east and west,   and industrial SODO to the north and the northeast corner of Burien to the south.

SP has a lot of comparatively lower income residents vs. seattle at large,  and its a very diverse neighborhood;   If you speak spanish it would be a big advantage if you are looking at managing MF in that area.   (I keep telling myself I need to take classes).   

As far as crime goes,  there have been a few high profile incidents,  the most recent being about 10 years ago when a mentally ill individual who had come up from further south in the state broke into a home and committed a rape/murder against a couple living there, as well as a couple of other incidents of serious violence as well since I have owned in the area.   Mostly though the challenges faced in the area are what you would expect of any growing, gentrifying historically lower income area on the edge of a teeming metropolis. There is some amount of petty theft, and a fair amount of visible homelessness (RVs mostly) and the associated issues. Car prowls happen fairly regularly as reported by people on nextdoor.com, often when stuff left visible, and there are occasional burglaries.   The overall trend in crime however is on definite decline over the time I have owned in the area.   The first couple years I was chasing dealers, pimps, and druggies out of the triplex's yard all the time and cleaning graffiti pretty regularly.    Its probably now been 7 years since the last time my property got tagged,  and the street activity has mostly moved further into the industrial parts or behind closed doors of RV's.   It also helps that several of the worst 'problem' properties in the neighborhood have finally been cleaned out either by city action or new ownership, or by fire in the last few years.   I have never had a break in attempt or any significant criminal event on my property.  (Knock on wood). 

All that said,  SP also has a great, active, engaged community,  several festivals over the course of the year  (its the only neighborhood I've seen people in full tradiitional dress riding horses down side streets for fiestas patrias for example) and neighbors put on an all-out august night out against crime every year.    Residents do not worry about walking their dogs, kids, etc throughout the neighborhood regardless of time of day.  SP punches above its weight as far as political and media visibility.

The "downtown" (14th ave) is improving with several recently opened restaurants occupying recently rehabbed original commercial structures, alongside well established mexican places.   SP is about 15 minutes from downtown via 99, subject to traffic whims of course.   Its also 10-15 minutes from burien, renton, tukwila, southcenter mall,  and minutes to active night life in hipster Georgetown.   its got a good library, community center,  and the only riverfront parks in seattle.  So its in the center of the universe as far as south seattle goes.

As far as MF goes,  there aren't any large complexes in SP proper.   The largest couple of buildings are in the ~20 unit range and there are maybe a dozen properties or so total with 6 units or more.   A couple have been rehabbed,  a couple others are likely good candidates if you could get the price someplace reasonable,  and if you could compete with the townhouse developers.   I think there is a renovated 10 unit that just came on the market on 14th.   There are probably cumulatively a couple dozen 2-4 unit properties in the neighborhood.   Some of them are reasonably well updated and some would be good rehab candidates.  Some of those are converted houses and some are purpose built.   Most of the MF in SP dates from the 50's through the 80's.

Cloverdale is the main east-west drag and has been seeing a lot of townhouse construction, especially a block or two on either side of Hwy 599.   Cloverdale also has most of the larger MF properties, the rest scattered along 8th or 14th.

Everywhere that isn't already L zoned got upzoned via HALA to RSL (residential small lot) - which may or may not make much of a difference in the short term,  but will eventually mean 2 houses on a 5000sf lot,  or 5 per 10000sf if 2 adjacent lots could be assembled.

Due to the comparatively affordable rents in SP,  along with its good commute location,  there will be ZERO problem keeping a decently maintained, respectable property rented.   I would not worry about vacancy rates.   Excepting time spent on renovation,  I've had something better than 99% occupancy rate at my triplex but I was a bit low on rents for most of the time I self managed.   My average tenancy there I would say is 4-5 years.   I'm currently charging a bit over $1400 (rent+util surcharge) for 850sf 2br's in good condition, ample parking, and all appliances including in unit laundry.   The last vacancies were 2 years ago,  if the units were on market today they would go for 1-200 more probably.

I've found that in that neighborhood,  when times are bad you get good people looking for a cheaper place,  and people coming into the area from worse places to start a new job.   When times are good you get good people being priced out of more expensive areas looking for a cheaper place,  and people moving into the area for a job looking for a place.   I also have gotten quite a few roommate situations (some of which worked better than others).   I've had my share of scary applicants (as I am sure anybody has renting in C class) but that is what screening and qualification criteria are for.

As anybody who has read this far can tell I am a bit of a booster for SP.   The only thing that would stop me right now from considering another property in SP in my hunt to replace my recently sold duplex is the hostile regulatory environment and extreme progresssive politics currently in full force in Seattle city council.   Anybody looking at investing in seattle who is not already aware of what is going on needs to go in with open eyes.

Post: Good lease agreement template for Seattle?

Brian HughesPosted
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 220

Yes,   Join RHA if you have not already.   You get access to lease templates with addendums for most any scenario,  you get education, news, advocacy, networking, services (through RHA and private afiliate contractors/vendors) and peer support.

Its been a while since I used them (~10y) but SRC windows,  which advertises in the RHA newsletter did a good job with my triplex window replacements when it needed it,  despite some unexpected challenges with the condition of the structure at the time (which I have since fixed)

I imagine they can do doors as well.

I also believe there may be energy efficiency programs available to multifamily properties for replacement upgrade of windows/doors which might be worth investigating;  don't know what the tradeoffs may be.

PM me if you want and I can give contact info

(PS if not an RHA member.... join.)

Post: Turning a single-family into a multi family in Seattle Wa

Brian HughesPosted
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 220

Yes, Seattle's city wide zoning change affecting SFR zoning basically converts most lots into potential triplex sites: The main home, one or two ADUs, which can consist of two attached or one attached and one detached. There is no longer an owner occupancy requirement, but of course RRIO, normal building standards, and applicable landlord/investor punishment ordinances apply.

I haven't confirmed this but I don't think they allow subdividing the lot (unlike with L zoned properties like the duplex I sold recently which is destined to become four townhouses on individual postage stamp lots)  - this might be the saving grace that prevents everything from getting mowed down,   though anybody looking for a starter house or fixer upper is now going to be competing with investors wanting to convert the place to a triplex.

Post: 10-Unit Apartment Investing

Brian HughesPosted
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 220

Sounds like we may be in a similar place.   I've recently sold a smaller (duplex) property and ultimately plan to reinvest those proceeds in a larger property - probably 6-8 unit scale with preferred location anywhere from south of seattle through tacoma.   I could theoretically go a bit bigger probably,  but I'm being conservative since I suspect we will get statewide rent control in WA similar to oregon's statue next year,  so I don't want to overleverage myself.

From the talking with a couple commercial lenders I gather the main differences from1-4 unit financing are:

1) variable APR, usually with a lifetime maximum cap.

2) 15 or 30 year amortization rate (or some other options) but with a balloon payment after a much shorter term, like 5 or 7 years, meaning you MUST refinance or payoff at that time. (and that also means if rates have gone up past the APR cap, you are forced into a more expensive loan)

3)  Somewhat higher rates vs.  consumer grade loans.

4)  Minimum down typically 25%,  but see notes on DSR - in high cost / low cap areas like seattle thats the limiting factor.

5)  Many lenders have minimum loan size requirements - often $500K to $1M but some go lower.

6) No prepayment / accelerated paydown allowed without a penalty fee.

7)  No Fanny/Freddie consumer protections.   Its all private.   So you need to have a good idea who you are borrowing from so you don't end up doing business with vinny and guido from 'da family' out of new jersey.

8)  Terms for qualification differ from consumer loans,  they look more at the income/debt (DSR, or debt service ratio) on the subject property than at your own income,  but that said you still have to have minimum net worth (equal to loan value for lenders I have talked to),  prove you have experience managing rental property,  etc.  Right now a common value for DSR in seattle area seems to be about 1.25,   meaning ACTUAL income at point of sale after all expenses needs to be 1.25x the principal+interest payment

I did actually qualify for a commercial loan several years back when I was looking at possibly buying a 5-plex,  but I ended up going with a different opportunity and bought a 4-plex.   However the qualification process really wasn't scary,  it was just somewhat different things they looked at.  In some ways, easier.

FWIW one option to look for which can get you into 5+ scale without commercial lending is to look for adjacent 2-3-4plex properties being sold as a group,  and get individual 1-4 unit scale loans on each.

Good luck.

Post: Owner Occupied Home in Renton

Brian HughesPosted
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 220

Don't discount much of skyway ("rough" area closer to I-5) especially if you are able to put in some sweat equity there are a lot more opportunities in this area than some of the others near your price point.   Generally the east side of the hill seems "better" than the west but both have plenty good areas.    Most of the housing stock dates from postwar through the 80's,  so lots of mid century type stuff with good bones and fairly modern systems but ready for its first major overhaul.   Flippers have been on a tear up near the top of the hill going through 1940's 1.5 story cottages renovating everything.

I moved to upper rainier beach/skyway 8 months ago and so far it was a great decision.  the vast majority of people are great and homes well kept,  if more modest/working class than some other areas of seattle/renton.   Big lots equal lots of room to grow.   This area being so close to renton, tukwila, seatac, and of course seattle is probably going to grow a lot in the next couple decades.

I sold a duplex redevelopment site (was 1/2 owner occ) elsewhere in seattle for $700K and bought my "new" 2300sf mid century SFR for $433k still within city limits (pluses and minuses to that) so by that measure way ahead even after planned ~$100k total renovations. Yes, there are always better deals - this is still the best I have seen anything similar to what I got. Nobody else wanted it due to foundation issues. Pricey, but thats fixed now :)

Post: Repairs of steel/concrete cantilevered stairs

Brian HughesPosted
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 220

Hi All-

Just to be different:  a maintenance question.  Posting in local forums to hopefully get local feedback.

One of my properties,  a 1980 built 4-plex in Burien has those steel and concrete "cantilevered" stairs on the exterior.   These are the stairs you often see on 60's through 80's buildings with a central steel stringer and precast concrete steps welded to it.

The stairs at this property are in need of some work - the biggest issue is that many of the steps are cracked or spalled badly enough to need replacement,  one step in particular is bad enough that it is becoming a safety issue.   The steel hand rails also need some repair in a couple places and updates to meet modern code.  (4" maximum gap spacing)

Has anybody else in this general area (Seattle area, or western WA) had work done on this type of stairs in the last couple years?   If so I'd like to compare numbers with the bid I have received,   which works out to about $600 per step for replacement of all treads and rebuild/update of steel handrails to meet code.   

Given the work requires heavy lifting, metal work, welding, etc.   I'm not surprised its fairly pricey,  but looking for a gut check since there don't seem to be many parties interested in doing the work before I accept this bid.    Thanks for any thoughts.

for some reason even good tenants mangle blinds.    I have a great resident,   totally responsive, always pays on time,  etc etc.   but within a couple years the new blinds were toast.    Rest of unit is fine.    I've given her old but better blinds out of other units on turnovers to keep things looking decent from the outside.

I'll +1 the sentiment that if the tenant was in there more than a couple years,  consider it cost of business.

I've started putting the 2 inch blinds in on updates instead of the 1 inch ones.   The 1 inch plastic ones sag and discolor,  the metal ones get bent out of shape in no time.   The 2 inch ones are a bit more expensive,  but so far seem to be a lot more durable,  not to mention easier to clean.

Post: A Newbie Investor in Seattle

Brian HughesPosted
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 273
  • Votes 220

Hi and welcome-

If you are looking at becoming a landlord in seattle especially (or WA state in general) be sure to be aware of Seattle's tenant protection rules and recent changes to the WA state RLTA as well.   If your wife's townhouse is not currently renting for somewhere close to market rate it would also be a good idea to increase rent as much as is reasonable/feasible in the fairly short term, since it is highly likely (IMO) that next legislative session we see statewide rent control similar to Oregon's.   Finally,   be sure to join rental housing association (rhawa.org) they are an excellent industry association that supports and represents many smaller landlords in seattle and surrounding region.

I have 8 units in 3 buildings right now in south seattle and vicinity;  my strategy has been to buy under-managed but functional buildings needing mild to moderate rehab,  do the work over a couple years with a mix of my own effort and contracting things out, bring rents up closer to market, then long term hold.   If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Good luck.