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All Forum Posts by: Scott Hubbard

Scott Hubbard has started 7 posts and replied 930 times.

Post: Homeowner Short Sale?

Scott HubbardPosted
  • Rehabber
  • Tucson, AZ
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Originally posted by Nick L.:
Hi everyone - I was digging for this type of info on short sales, and wanted to see if the above answers still apply in today's environment. I have a house under contract with the seller subject to her financing remaining in place and subject to negotiating a short sale with the lender. We have the short sale package from the lender and are in process of completing it. The package does not state that they need to see a listing agreement. Is this something they are going to ask for?
Originally posted by Nick L.:

Typically they will want a listing agreement and for the property to be listed in the MLS. Sometimes you can just have a listing agreement signed by the seller but not actually entered into the MLS. This is sometimes referred to as a "pocket listing". You just need to disclose this fact.

If the lender requires you to place it in the MLS, then have an agent do so as active contingent as she has a already under contract.

Originally posted by Nick L.:
The comps are about 60k, and she owes 70k. She is 8 months behind on payments. The seller had a hardship with death of husband and death of son within a 2 month timeframe. The seller is in the process of evicting tenants due to 4 missed payments (should be completed in 7 days). This was also a clause in our contract - tenants must be evicted.

What are the rents fetching in this neighborhood? Perhaps you can get the homeowner to do a loan modification and then take the house subject the existing finance. The arrears can be put on the back of the loan and you can keep the current mortgage payment in place moving forward. The hurdle hear is that the PITI should be less than the rents for cash flow purposes. Also, most modifications require the property be owner-occupied, however, I have seen them done in investment properties.

The house was never listed but the seller called my bandit signs about 5 months ago, then I did some follow-up with her 2 months ago to get the house under contract.

Originally posted by Nick L.:
After all that, my question: Does the seller need to have her house listed with an agent for me to be able to buy it as a short sale? Thanks

I have been able to get the lenders to waive the listing requirement, but it is ultimately up to them. You can try to have the seller explain that because of the condition of the property and the fact there are uncooperative tenants in the property, no agents are willing to, or will be effective at marketing the property in the MLS. Have her further put an ad in craigslist as a FSBO for a couple of weeks to show she tried to market the property.

Have her put the above into writing and send it to the lender asking them to waive the requirement due to these circumstances.

Post: Contract Vendee's a.k.a. the paper swap (anyone familar with these?)

Scott HubbardPosted
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  • Tucson, AZ
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Originally posted by Andy Chu:

Assignments of contracts are not used very commonly anymore due to title companies (West Coast) not willing to take on these transactions. Also, short sales and REOs typically prohibit these contracts as well.

I disagree with this statement... Assignments are common to many kinds of paper chattel transfers. As long as disclosure is made and parties agree to it, then there should be no problem.

Post: Title Work Concern

Scott HubbardPosted
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  • Tucson, AZ
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Originally posted by Nicole Armond:
Thanks for the replies. No, I wasn't intending to order title insurance for him.

Nicole-

Assuming you already opened escrow, your end-buyer should be using your title/escrow company as a contingency to your contract. As part of the double close, the title company will offer your end-buyer title insurance. This should evidence clear title enough. If not, he can use his trusted title company to do their own title work at his expense.

If you have not yet opened escrow, you can consider using his title company. I will do this for certain end-buyer's as it helps them expedite the process.

However, once you have opened escrow, flipping escrow/title company's can be problematic. You want to offer the title company your working with consistent business to establish a positive reputation. The more business you offer them, the better service and more resources they will provide to you.

Good Luck!

Post: Help need bank to drop promissory note for short sale!

Scott HubbardPosted
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  • Tucson, AZ
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Originally posted by nadia tsivilko:
I am with IBM financial and have a short sale that was approved, in NJ, and was just asked to pay 20K for 8 years or cancel the contract. Is it reasonable to ask them to release the note, not only the mortgage?

If the note requirement is for repayment of deficiency (loss) on the mortgage's principal, then you can certainly try to negotiate. However, when they give an ultimatum such as the one stated above, I recommend you come at them with something like an attorney's recommendation against signing a note, a copy of anti-deficiency statutes (if applicable), a letter reaffirming that your hardship will not allow you to afford the note payment, etc. A verbal "I cannot pay this" is usually not enough.

Most lender's these days will not ask for a note and personal guaranty unless they believe you can afford the payment. If this is true, then your classified as a strategic default and they will be merciless.

If this is you, then you need to ask yourself, which is better, pay a little now and sign the note, or pay a lot more later by staying in your home for 10 years or more.

If you truly cannot afford it, then perhaps you have not detailed all of your financial obligations and they may not have you classified incorrectly. Then, have them re-evaluate your budget by submitting a revision and ask them to adjust their numbers.

Good Luck!

Post: Help need bank to drop promissory note for short sale!

Scott HubbardPosted
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  • Tucson, AZ
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Having a mortgage insurer (MI) can be a tough obstacle to overcome. Simply put, the MI company has to approve the short sale because the lender wants to receive a payout of its losses. Also, generally speaking, MI is not considered a mortgage and can be collected post-foreclosure even in anti-deficiency states.

Problems with mortgages with MI.

1. As an investor needing a discount to market value, whenever an MI company in play, your discount may actually cause the seller a larger deficiency for them to repay.

2. Generally they are recourse and will pursue the seller/borrower after foreclosure.

3. MI companies will fight very hard to get the seller/borrower to sign a promissory note. You can on occasion get them to drop the amount, but rarely will they forgo a note.

In my opinion, it is imperative you speak to a seller to screen against MI policies. Ask them for a mortgage statement or question them directly about mortgage insurance. If they have it, then you may want to reconsider unless they are willing and motivated to settle with the MI company.

Originally posted by Justin S.:
Josh

You could have a dual system. The current system is really a "contribution" system. The more you contribute the higher your points. Contributions are great because they drive site activity. You could then have the "expertise" system in which people vote on original blog and forum posts. For blogs you could have a check box which asks if the blog post is your own or a reproduction. I would also make the voting system blind.

I, too, believe that you will need separate scoring systems in place. One system to keep track of participation and another for expertise.

Both systems should support quality not quantity. Let's face it, quality is what we are after because junk postings only contribute to server load and slow down this site's performance. Also, quality is what drives membership and participation.

Expertise:

I believe it is extremely important to focus on quality of topics and posts. For this, perhaps Josh can establish two separate equations, one for original topic quality and another for response or post quality. One single vote is allowed per topic per member on each the quality of the original topic and quality of responses.

Also, the higher the quality the original topic scored by members the more points the original poster will get, the best response posts overall points should be increased as well. Contrarily, the lower the quality of the post, the lower the points to the original topic poster and best response post.

Forums should be weighted. The forums with the most activity should also be weighted differently in the valuation of points.

Scoring system:

Original topic valuation can be based on a rating system. Perhaps 1 to 5 or 1 to 10 or whichever is user friendly.

Best post (response) should be based on a voting basis. Each member can vote once per topic and the top vote getter should be awarded the most points.

You can also award more points to the top post responses on topic which score high on topic quality.

Participation: Should also be a point system and anytime a member votes, posts, add files, blogs, etc. They should also receive participation points. Kind of like the influence scoring is done now. You can use a time factor, where points will be lost if the member's participation drops.

I, for one, believe that members should feel that they can come here and post as little or as much as they want. I wish I could send more time on this site and post as frequently as others, but I can't so I try to focus on quality instead. However, quality of posts is the ugly red headed step- child of the current influence system.

Josh, this site is great and if you do nothing to fix the current system, it will still be great in my opinion. But, I am very happy to see that you looking to improve, which, in the end, is why I expect this site to stay number 1!

Post: Are Real Estate Investor Clubs Worthwhile?

Scott HubbardPosted
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  • Tucson, AZ
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I am a big supporter of AZREIA and belong to some independent local RE groups. I have been able to capitalize on my time spent at meetings and believe it is well worth the investment.

Post: When is it time to fire your Realtor?

Scott HubbardPosted
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  • Tucson, AZ
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  • Votes 801

I agree with the others, you have failed to set expectations. Set some guidelines and benchmarks. If he continues on his path, then find another REALTOR.

Another point here is why hire your competition to buy and sell properties? Talk about letting the fox guard the hen house. At the very least, your pushing the envelope of a good fiduciary by allowing him to compete and perform. In my opinion, if he is working harder to sell his properties than yours, he is in violation of his fiduciary responsibility to you.

It is no different than a stock broker selling his shares in a company first, then calling his clients to sell also.

Are there not any non-investor agents to work with?

Post: Square Footage Does Not Match Tax Records

Scott HubbardPosted
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  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 1,018
  • Votes 801
Originally posted by Stinson Bland:
Hello BP,

Here's my question: How do I get the square footage adjusted with my tax office? I've called the office and I've gotten the run around so far. I plan to go to the office in attempt to get a better response. Would it be best if I got an appraiser to verify the square footage and take that info to the tax office? I'm sure I can figure this out by spending some time at the office but I was hoping someone has had the experience and can give me some insight into a quick solution. In order to help my sale I want the tax records to represent the correct sq. footage. I have roughly 8 weeks to get it corrected before I list the house.

Thanks for any and all help!

1. Consider this, why would you go through that? You can put whatever square footage you want on the listing. Personally, I would call an appraiser, to make sure he agrees with your findings. If the appraisal report supports your findings then use that as your source for the square footage listed in the MLS.

2. Eventually, the buyer's appraiser will make an independent determination of the square footage too, so you do not necessarily need to get it corrected with the county tax assessor since appraisers do not rely on their information anyway.

3. Filing a correction with the tax appraiser will mean higher property taxes for your buyer. This is a value add in my book especially if the buyer is seeking financing.

4. Someone may be responsible for lost property taxes and it may be you. A stupid move and a risk not worth taking in my book. Let the next buyer worry about that.

If you have read the above and still want to proceed, then go down to your county assessor's office with an appraisal report in hand and a blank check for applicable back taxes.

Good Luck!

Post: Short Sale Nightmare

Scott HubbardPosted
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  • Tucson, AZ
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  • Votes 801
Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
I'm working on the assumption Chris is just a friend who's trying to help his friend's daughter from being screwed by the listing agent and the "buyer".

Looks to me like worst case here is the lender refuses to do a short sale, forecloses, and the seller is left with a deficiency judgment. And that deficiency judgment is larger than it would have been without the damage done by this "buyer". And the seller takes the larger credit hit from the foreclosure rather than the smaller hit from the short sale. So, the potential damages are considerable worse than what the earnest money would cover. Hence why, IMHO, the seller shouldn't just roll over and take a settlement the LA negotiations with the "buyer".

That is one side of the coin and, while playing devils advocate, I would say that the foreclosure ball started rolling prior to the listing agent's involvement. Thus, proving damages beyond that which is tangible could prove very difficult.

If the seller can prove the agent also coerced her to stop payment which then led her down the slippery slope she is now, then this would be a huge bonus.

So, I agree with Jon, that this case, without some overriding cause, will be just about awarding tangible losses.