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All Forum Posts by: Billy Bell

Billy Bell has started 24 posts and replied 80 times.

Post: How to get 80% LTV Loan Instead of 20% Down on Purchase Price?

Billy BellPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 10

Hello,

I'm trying to figure out how I can buy a property with none of my own money down, since I am picking it up for well under market value.


Here's the details for more accurate advice:

Duplex in Indianapolis, IN.

3/1 each side. Currently rented at $700/per side, tenants pay utilities. 

Fully renovated in last couple months.

Perfect comp a few doors down just appraised at 120k.

I'm picking mine up at 88k.

Conventional lenders are forcing me to put down 20-25% of purchase price even though this will appraise much higher than my purchase price. My purchase price of 88k is 73% or theoretical appraised value.

So how do I find a lender that will loan me 100% of the purchase price and use the built in equity (difference in value to purchase price) as my down payment, so I don't have to fork over a big chunk of cash for a downpayment?

Or is there a refinancing hack I am missing?

Thank you all!

Billy Bell

Post: Mass Text Message Services to Market Wholesale Properties

Billy BellPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 10

Hey All,

I have been using Skipio.com to send out a text message blast to my cash buyer database, and it is great in a lot of ways, and not so great in some ways. Looking for other options that might solve my problems with it.

The main problem I have is that it is very slow and sending the mass text messages. I will schedule a "blast" to go out at 8am, but it only sends out one at a time. With having a relatively large list, I am hearing that people are getting the message sometimes a day later. I need everyone to see it ASAP in order to sell to the best offer from my entire list. 

What I love about Skipio is the user interface. It contains all the messaging on the website rather than redirecting to my phone and melting it down with hundreds of replies and notifications. It's a great thing to be able to manage all the messaging on the website and reply using my computer calculator. It makes managing all replies really nice. 

For all wholesalers not using a text blasting service to market properties, you must do it now. Biggest life changer EVER!!!!

Anyways, I'm open to all recommendations for other services to try.

Thank you!

Billy Bell

Post: VIRTUAL WHOLESALING!!!

Billy BellPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @James Reynante:

For me, the trick to virtual wholesaling is to market every day for sellers.  You need to get the deal flow consistently going so that your supply of seller's never stops.

When I first started I would look for sellers and then as soon as I had a property under contract, I would stop marketing and instead focus on trying to sell/assign my contract.  BIG MISTAKE! Because after I sold my contract, there were no more deals in my pipeline and I had to start marketing all over again. This made my business have lots of up and downs.

I eventually hired a VA to keep my marketing going on a regular basis.

 What marketing strategy(s) are you using? And how do you research and decide on new markets to move into?

Thanks!

Billy

Post: Phoenix Area Happy Hour Meetup

Billy BellPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 10

@J. Martin I'm in for it.

Post: Phoenix Area Happy Hour Meetup

Billy BellPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 10
I'm in for it!!

Post: Walkaway from 1st wholesale deal-buyer backed out last minute.

Billy BellPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Dick Rosen:

Billy, does the grandfather rule stay in place when ownership changes or does the new owner lose that? A new owner may be required to update which would likely require permits?

I think you are correct about flippers shying away from manufactured homes but you should be able to find a buy and hold investor.

Good Morning Dick,

The grandfather rule stays with the property, therefore is passed on to the new owner. Had the pump and inspection done on current system and was in impeccable shape. My cash buyer that backed out was a buy and hold investor, but just got spooked about this problem, even though it "should" handle the load. The spetic conpanies said they would be a little worried if 5 people lived in there, but 3 or 4 people shouldnt be a problem. It could be a great buy and hold. Cant really find a property that rents for $800 that cheap anymore.

Thank you,

Billy Bell 

Post: Walkaway from 1st wholesale deal-buyer backed out last minute.

Billy BellPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Does it need interior and exterior paint? 

So like 2,500$ for paint. So you are at 54,500$ and you sell for 75,000$?

Closing costs, Title and Misc at 7,500,  A 13,500$ return? 

Thats not a too bad. ROI 23.85%

Are the comps similar to the quality of this home? 

Hey Nick!

I am trying to wholesale it. If I had the cash I would fix and flip it for a higher return for sure, but I don't have all that cash in my bank account, hence the wholesaling method. Closing cost and title only come out to 1,200. Taxes per month are only about $100, no HOA. So a flipper could easily make closer to 20k for just painting it! And yes this is one of the nicest homes in the neighborhood and the other nicer comps are in the 70's-80's.

I think investors are just scared of premanufactured homes, for a decent reason, but this one is relatively new and in excellent shape! 

Thank you! 

Billy Bell

Post: Walkaway from 1st wholesale deal-buyer backed out at last minute.

Billy BellPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Rich Nickel:

@Billy Bell

Maybe this isn't part of your strategy.  Can you finance it and turn it into a rental for your self or you and a partner?  

Congrats on locking up a deal.  You may try and find a more experienced buyer that has purchased these kind of "problems" and isn't scared of these unknowns.

Rich

Hey Rich, please see my response to you and Bevla above. 

Thank you for your advice!

Billy

Post: Walkaway from 1st wholesale deal-buyer backed out at last minute.

Billy BellPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Bevla Reeves:

Hmm...tough one Billy!

I agree with Rich, it sounds more like a good deal for Buy & Hold...but not as a flip.

Your buyer is wise to pass on that one.

 Hi Bevla!

I agree with you and @Rich Nickel, it is a much better buy and hold, and that is what my buyers plans were for it also, he just got spooked about the septic. I would love to keep it as a rental for myself, i just dont have the personal funds or financing set up to do so, especially in such short notice.

Thank you guys for your ideas!

Billy

Post: Walkaway from 1st wholesale deal-buyer backed out at last minute.

Billy BellPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Danny Hammond:

HI Billy,  My name is Danny Hammond and there is much in real estate deals I haven't done.  The answer should be very simple.  Get the permits and do the $6,000 job and have your lender roll into the loan.  Even at 5% that extra monthly payment for the new septic tank is only $32.21.  Plus the Buyer has a brand new system that will last years more than the old one.  Danny Hammond

Hey Danny, 

I was hoping it was that simple also. If we were to get permits, the county would force the 20k job to be done. I already got the seller to lower the price by 5k to allow for the illegitimate tank swsp, but my buyer refused to have it done without permits, which is understandable. 

Thank you,

Billy