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All Forum Posts by: Bryan Hartlen

Bryan Hartlen has started 27 posts and replied 265 times.

Post: Flipping out of state. What's your process?

Bryan HartlenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 270
  • Votes 133

@Brandon Stiles the process steps are identical - how you execute them is different. Key differences for us include:

- we JV with local person on our deals. Their jobs include finding properties (he's a realtor), walking properties prior to purchase (only those we can't estimate rehab from pics), inspecting GC's work and progress.
- unless the property is a complete gut job we pay for a home inspection during our due diligence

- we only hire GC’s.  Bottom line quote that we pay out in specified milestones (which align with our hard money lenders payouts).
- besides or JV partner watching progress, on completion we hold back a portion of the payout pending a final residential inspection.

We do 2 or 3 flips a year. We could do more but finding properties is (at least for us) the hard part of flipping remote. That's actually what prompted us to JV with a local realtor. So they could network for us.

The other headache is that we seldom get to start and finish the job with the same GC. We now spend much more time interviewing and qualifying our GCs and lean hard on referrals.  We’ve also learned that the lowest price almost always means trouble down the road. 

Post: Advice plz about inspection report "knob and tube"

Bryan HartlenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 270
  • Votes 133
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:
Quote from @Bryan Hartlen:

As already noted it can be dangerous if the sheathing is cracking.

Aside from this there’s a real business implication of closing without replacing. If you ever plan to rehab the property and have to pull an electrical permit you could be required to do a complete rewire. Your local inspector office can shed light on what conditions would trigger a full update. Assuming you don’t end up ever having to update it will be an issue when you go to sell the property. In the same way that you are concerned now, future buyers will also be. It could cost you on sale price or concessions. 


Generally speaking you would not be required to rewire except for areas you are working on. So, if you gutted a kitchen you would have to bring everything in that area up to current codes.

Keep in mind knob & tube is "up to code"! Work is only expected to be up to the code that was in place when the work was done. So, it is "up to code" just not up to CURRENT code.

If you were required to bring everything up to current code in a house any time you did any kind of rehab, work you did 2-3 years ago would need to be redone as codes are constantly changing/evolving.

Agreed. That’s why I said “it could”. And for what it’s worth, we’re in the middle of a complete rewire from 2-wire (not even knob and tube) in AL because of the inspector’s view of the code for that particular city. So it can happen. 

Post: Advice plz about inspection report "knob and tube"

Bryan HartlenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 270
  • Votes 133

As already noted it can be dangerous if the sheathing is cracking.

Aside from this there’s a real business implication of closing without replacing. If you ever plan to rehab the property and have to pull an electrical permit you could be required to do a complete rewire. Your local inspector office can shed light on what conditions would trigger a full update. Assuming you don’t end up ever having to update it will be an issue when you go to sell the property. In the same way that you are concerned now, future buyers will also be. It could cost you on sale price or concessions. 

Post: BP Calculator and Pro Service issue

Bryan HartlenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 270
  • Votes 133

@Christopher Dunson I have the tool page bookmarked (https://www.biggerpockets.com/investment-calculators) and it’s working.  

** edit sorry just realized your problem was with subscription **

Post: Go-to kitchen floor tile

Bryan HartlenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 270
  • Votes 133

Why not LVP in kitchen also? I’m assuming it’s not a class A rental so LVP could work. It wears well and is waterproof?

Post: SFR DSCR terms?

Bryan HartlenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 270
  • Votes 133
Quote from @Timothy Hero:
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So ultimately, it shouldn't make a difference between non recourse or recourse anyways. However, I'm not an attorney, so I can't fully say. I just know one of my non recourse lenders stated this.

@Timothy Hero this is not something I'm looking for to limit my risk (although it is a benefit).  It is a legal requirement on SDIRA and SD401k's.  Any loan secured by SDIRA/SD401k must be non-recourse or the beneficiary's entire SDIRA/SD401k holdings are subject to disqualification (ie they become immediately taxable). 

Post: SFR DSCR terms?

Bryan HartlenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 270
  • Votes 133
Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

Recourse 30 year term 7-8% rate if property is ready to lease 20% down FICO high desirable location, investor knows what they are doing.

Non recourse priced like hard money shorter term 24 months- 5 year term rates 11%-22%  some are only 50% loan to value or half down payment from your fund. 

I see others answering not reading that you CANNOT be a borrower with your fund source. BIG difference in the details. NO RECOURSE loans to a self directed deal mean NO FICO is used, no HUMAN involved, no person guarantees WAY different than NONQM or DSCR for 1-4. @Bryan Hartlen a number of people gave you WRONG answers.

My list. I DO NOT Broker these as the fees and rates are way to high for my blood. Most of these are short term and you have to keep refinancing or sell or payoff. Non owner only 1-4 units in location they like. I can give you phone numbers I do not make any referral fees and charge them nothing but a hug when I go to some conference.

North American Savings this is not a regular bank they loan in AZ expect 50% LTV on a prime property with 4 points 14% rate for five years. has a prepay

Solara  does AZ 65% ltv 2-3 points 11% rate for 5 year then due and payable. 

Marshall REddick/ Pac Crest/ Axos all at 50% LTV 3-4 points 5 year terms 12- 15% depending on quality of property and DSCR ratio Jim at JMAC also does in the same range, he's a decent gentleman and answers the phone if you are easy on the eyes (meaning not a pain) 2 points at 12-13 I would call him first in your situation.

In California Coastal I have other referrals at 65%-75% ltv for lower rates. Since these are hard money dudes they charge what they can sell and know what everyone else does. Great property, lower rate, they see what they might recover. Call me for some kinder names.

Follow the rules. Know the restrictions like your front teeth, do not make an exception and have the tax man on your back.

Thank you for the info.  

Post: SFR DSCR terms?

Bryan HartlenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 270
  • Votes 133
Quote from @Timothy Hero:

I've brokered nearly 250 DSCR loans in the last 3 years. When it comes to AZ, I'd say 70-75% of the industry doesn't lend there. The ones that do usually base rates on the 10-year swaps and 5-year swaps, and those have been trending up for the last 3 weeks.

I'd expect rates for AZ to be around 8.5% right now, which hurts, knowing so many DSCR lenders are 7.5% right now.

Thanks Timothy. I appreciate the info.  I live in AZ but invest primarily in Birmingham, AL.  Have you brokered non-recourse loans:  DSCR or other long term notes?

Post: SFR DSCR terms?

Bryan HartlenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 270
  • Votes 133
Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

Since you are using your self directed 401k or you mean IRA? You cannot do a recourse loan. 99.8% of DSCR lenders are full recourse as they rely on the person's mortgage middle FICO for pricing the loan as well as location, property type, LTV, DSCR ratio, experience... There are a few with Trust in their company name but when you get the rates in the 15-22 % range it's not going to make you smile, none that I recommend. Other option is to get a loan against the 401k or IRA direct from who holds the account.

@Caroline Gerardo I did mean self-directed 401K. Operates like SD-IRA but I have full checkbook control (and responsibility) without requiring a custodian. SD401k loans also need to be non-recourse. But I invest non-qualified funds also, so I was interested in how/where the terms typically vary between recourse and non-recourse.

Post: SFR DSCR terms?

Bryan HartlenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 270
  • Votes 133
Quote from @AJ Exner:

@AJ Exner looking at options right now.  The ability (or inability) to leverage debt will affect the underwriting of specific properties (and how many properties).