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All Forum Posts by: Bryan Hartlen

Bryan Hartlen has started 28 posts and replied 281 times.

Post: Pre-signed deed in lieu?

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Wondering if anyone has executed a loan or extension backed by a pre-signed deed in lieu?

We have a borrower that has requested an extension on his mortgage before his balloon is due. He's current but unable to make the upcoming balloon. We're willing to extend, but want to make sure that we're out of the property within our planned investment horizon and with minimal risk of payments stopping and having to FC.  Borrower has agreed conceptually with the idea of an extension coupled with a pre-signed / notarized DIL that we'd contractually agree to not record unless he defaults. Any reason why this wouldn't work?  Has anyone done something like this before?

Post: How does foreclosure work in second position?

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@Marco Bario thanks for the reply. I hadn't considered #3.

Post: How does foreclosure work in second position?

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Quote from @Marco Bario:
Quote from @Adam Walter:
Quote from @Marco Bario:

 What are some reasons the junior lien holder would advance funds to the senior?  I'm assuming you're saying that a 2nd mortgage holder would pay the first mortgage holder.  I'm having a hard time imagining the circumstances.  I feel like its good money being thrown after bad money.  

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To fend off foreclosure and to continue to control the underlying asset from a junior position. I would never bother paying a lien that's junior to mine, but I would, and I have advanced loans and taxes senior in position to my lien. In some states, HOA's receive super-lien treatment and move into 1st position ahead of debt liens.

@Marco Bario Can you shed a little more light on how the extra expense of bringing the 1st current would benefit you and how it would result in controlling the asset?  If the value of the asset is less than the value of the 1st & 2nd then you’re adding to your deficit unless you see a way for the asset’s value to increase enough over time to compensate for the deficit. Hard to see this happen given that you don’t control the asset so forcing appreciation is hard. If the asset’s value is greater than the value of the 1st & 2nd then FC would result in paying off your 2nd so I’m assuming you’d just let it happen and cash out.

Post: Current Cap Rates in Birmingham, AL

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Quote from @John D Cozza:

Not much inventory for sale for 5-25 units, I see two deals on CoStar around 6 Cap

exactly… Inventory is low and asking and closing aren’t always aligned and so many MF deals close outside of Costar and Loopnet.

Post: Current Cap Rates in Birmingham, AL

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Does anyone have market comps for MF sales and/or cap rates in Birmingham?  Haven’t received much support from local MF brokers.  Looking for Class C/D, 14unit (mix of 2/1’s and 1/1’s), moderate value-add opportunity. 

Post: Property sold subject to (through a title company)??

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Quote from @Peter Walther:

 If you search "assumption of mortgage form" you'll find various templets, some free others at a cost.


Thx! Our servicer has one that they use in these situations. 

Post: Property sold subject to (through a title company)??

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Quote from @Bob E.:

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I would approach to buyer about refinancing you out of the property.  Make them buy the note for 100% of face value, much better than selling for a discount latter.


Thanks Bob. We do have a due on sale clause and we know that selling notes requires a discount. We started with this asset as a non-performing note purchase and has transitioned through REO to performing seller financed note to non-performing and we expect performing again. That said, getting full face value through a refi would be preferred. But getting it current is the first priority - and they are in the process of bringing the account current.

Post: Property sold subject to (through a title company)??

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Quote from @Marco Bario:

@Bryan Hartlen -

I wouldn't modify the loan or allow an assumption by the new property titleholder. 

The ultimate guarantor on any loan secured by real estate is the property. Your lien is attached to the property until it's released no matter who is on title. 

So long as you're covered by equity, you're in good position. You could exercise your due on sale provision at any time you wish.

The payor needs to keep property taxes and HOA assessments (if applicable) current, and name you as loss payee on the hazard policy. Also, enforce the requirement which should be in your loan docs stating they provide current proof of insurance.


 Thanks Marco.  Why wouldn't you modify or allow an assumption?  Our plan is to sell the note once it's performing and I would think that matching names on deed and note would make that a cleaner and higher valued sale (this is my opinion - so far haven't heard anyone confirm or correct this logic).  And even if we planned to hold the note; I would think that getting the new owner to assume or guarantee would make things cleaner if they went delinquent and we had to FC?

Post: Property sold subject to (through a title company)??

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Quote from @Peter Walther:

First, if you do decide to not call the Note due, I, as some of the other posters noted, would require the Grantee to assume and guarantee the debt.  I would also contact the title agent that issued the title policy and ask for an endorsement to change the effective date of the policy through the recording of assumption agreement.  

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Do you know what the buyer paid for the property?  Does it seem reasonable?  Does it appear they have any skin in the game or did they buy it for the cost of recording the deed?  You wrote the Note is currently eight months behind, personally, I'd have started the foreclosure by now.  I've seen far to many subject to buyers never make a payment but collect rent while the property is being foreclosed on since they don't have any liability for the debt.  Just a few concerns I'd have.




Thanks Peter.  Is there a standard document that would allow the new owners to "assume" the existing mortgage? or is it basically a refi?

We have some details on the sale.  Limited skin from the buyer BUT they've already made a payment moving the note forward several months.  Not current but better than before and enough that we'll pause FC.

Post: Property sold subject to (through a title company)??

Bryan Hartlen
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Quote from @Ned Carey:

Your rights under your mortgage have not changed at all.  you are in a better position now than you were since the former owner was in default. It wouldn't concern me in the least.

I am sure the title company had your mortgage as an exception to the title insurance.

You  might look at your loan documents. Is this considered a default? If it is, is there a default interest rate that the loan changes too? You can potentially use this situation as a negotiating tool, or simply be happy you now have a performing note. 




Thanks Ned. The sale doesn't trigger a default - it does give us the option to exercise the due on sale clause. But this is something we don't really want to do assuming (i) the buyers bring it current and (ii) having the note and deed in different names doesn't tank the value of the note when we go to resell it.