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All Forum Posts by: Brandon Gamblin

Brandon Gamblin has started 58 posts and replied 103 times.

Post: Thoughts on investing out of state?

Brandon GamblinPosted
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Brandon Gamblin

We think the Midwest is a GREAT place for OOS investors to consider!

YES, we may be a little biased, but check out our blog here on BP comparing Detroit to other cities and Deep Dives on Metro Detroit cities & neighborhoods: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Your biggest question shouldn't be WHERE to invest, but HOW you will invest!

Many OOS investors set themselves up for failure because they don't truly take the time to understand:

1) The Class of the NEIGHBORHOOD they are buying in - which is relative to the overall area.

2) The Class of the PROPERTY they are buying - which is relative to the overall area.

3) The Class of the TENANT POOL the Neighborhood & Property will attract - which is relative to the overall area.

4) The Class of the CONTRACTORS that will work on their Property, given the Neighborhood location - which is relative to the overall area.

5) The Class of the PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES (PMC) that will manage their Property, given the Neighborhood location and the Tenants it will attract - which is relative to the overall area.

6) That a Class X NEIGHBORHOOD will have mostly Class X PROPERTIES, which will only attract Class X TENANTS, CONTRACTORS AND PMCs and deliver Class X RESULTS.

7) That OOS property Class rankings are often different than the Class ranking of the local market they live.

8) Class A is relatively easy to manage, can even be DIY remote managed from another state. Can usually allot 5-10% vacancy factor and same for maintenance.

9) Class B usually also okay, but needs more attention from owner and/or PMC. Vacancy and maintenance factors should be higher than for Class A as homes will be older, have more deferred maintenance and tenants will be harder on them.

10) Class C can be relatively successful with a great PMC (do NOT hire the cheapest!), but very difficult to DIY remote manage. Vacancy and maintenance factors should be higher than for Class A or B. Homes will have even more deferred maintenance and tenants will be even harder on them.

11) Class D pretty much requires an OWNER to be on location and at the property 3-4 times/week. Most quality PMCs will not manage these properties as they understand most owners won’t pay them enough for the time required and even then it’s too difficult successfully manage them.
***Only exception is if an owner has plan & funds to reposition Class D to Class C or higher.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/776/topics/960183-what-they-dont-tell-you-about-cheap-rental-properties?highlight_post=5562799&page=3#p5562799

Also, SERIOUSLY consider - do you really have the time to be a DIY landlord or should you hire a PMC?

Good luck with whatever you decide😊


Thank you a lot. I’m going to read the blog for more insight. 2 questions though.

Since most investors are coming to the Midwest to invest, why do you think that is? Why aren’t more people going out to the east coast, or west coast to invest?

This may not mean anything, but it seems that most of the homes in California are always priced high. I’m thinking if you can get your foot in the door on those, then you’ll probably make more money when you sell the property right? And those agents out there seem to make more on their commissions. I don’t know. I’m just beginning to understand how important it is to know your market, but I only know so much.

Post: Thoughts on investing out of state?

Brandon GamblinPosted
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Matthew Cervoni:
Quote from @Brandon Gamblin:

Are there any RE investors interested in investing outside the state of where you currently reside?  If so, which states? And what is it about it that compels or stops you to invest this way?


 Brandon, 

I currently invest out of state in Tennessee. I worked in the Nashville area for three years and got to know it well. My house there started as a house hack but then I turned it into a full time rental property! The ROI is CRAZY and I expect good things to come with some of the large companies moving there.

My biggest hurdle was being comfortable managing from afar but Tenant Cloud has made it easy on me! 

@Matthew Cervoni 
Why was managing properties from a distance a hurdle for you?

And what kind of investment opportunities did Tennessee have that Kentucky didn’t (Im assuming that you’re from Kentucky based on what your profile says.)

Post: Thoughts on investing out of state?

Brandon GamblinPosted
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 19

@Michael Glunk

Oh wow. Congratulations to you on your accomplishments. I know I'm not the only one that’s using the real estate game to escape working a 9 to 5. All of what you said is very inspiring because knowing you can have passive income from real property and still have more free time than you would with w2 job is what motivates the pursuit of our dreams. So are you favored more towards getting cashflow from SFHs, Multi Families, or do you go even bigger? Like commercial or industrial?

Post: Thoughts on investing out of state?

Brandon GamblinPosted
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 19

@Kerry Noble Jr

How are you going about closing deals while being out of state? Do they have a such thing as a virtual closing?

By the way, I see you are from the Indianapolis market. That’s exactly where I'm looking to invest as we speak. Ill literally be moving there this time next year. So I'm glad I ran into you.

Post: Thoughts on investing out of state?

Brandon GamblinPosted
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 19

Are there any RE investors interested in investing outside the state of where you currently reside?  If so, which states? And what is it about it that compels or stops you to invest this way?

Post: What ROI do Buyers Want on Buy and Hold Rentals

Brandon GamblinPosted
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Ashley Johnson:
Quote from @Robert Olinick:
Quote from @Ashley Johnson:

Hi BP family,

I'm getting properties both on and off market, and many of them rentals. I know how to calculate for flips, but what ROI do buyers look for on buy and holds rentals? What cap rate, C.O.C., etc? When calculating your offers, do you include margins for a rehab?

I want to provide more accurate numbers because I know the market is shifting from flips to more buy and holds.


Thanks all!


 Further considerations needed to determine your target returns:

Target Neighborhood/school grades

Asset types? Single family, duplex, triplex, etc

What is your expected hold timeframe?

Great point. Most of my buyers are looking to hold 10+ years. And I'm mostly dealing with singles and duplex properties. 

Question. Those buyers that want to hold for 10+ years or more.....Do they invest for cash flow or are they more interested in building equity?

Post: Hypothetical wholesale deal examples

Brandon GamblinPosted
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 19

Is it ok to present hypothetical wholesale deals and still be able to give valuable insights? If so, what "mock" information would be needed to give an opinion on the deal (even though its not necessarily real)? Would most of you seasoned investors be interested in commenting on such posts? Why? or Why not?

I'm asking because I'm looking to develop an effective outline to present deals to cash buyers. Thanking in advance to all those who answer. 



Post: Im interested in Seller Financing

Brandon GamblinPosted
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 19

Hello BP family,

I'm looking for a seller finance opportunity in the Orlando, Florida area. I'm not sure on how to use this to my advantage as an investment, as well as not being sure if I should use this is as my primary residence. I'd rather use it for a primary residence, since I'm currently wholesaling right now. 

Could someone explain to me how you can profit from an investment of a seller finance deal?

And could you also lead me to some resources or someone who owns property in the area willing to "be the bank?" 

Post: Financing/Lenders for cash flowing properties

Brandon GamblinPosted
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 19

Based on what I've heard in the past, its easier to get rental property financing than it is to get fix and flip money. Don't know if that's necessarily true or not, but I want to get started in renting out as a long term investment. 

I'm currently looking to purchase my first rental property and I'm not able to obtain conventional lending from a bank or credit union.

Does anyone know how financing for a rental/cash flowing property works different from fix and flip funding? Is there any difference? And could you also refer me to some lenders that specialize in financing for rental property?

Thanks

@Jaysen Medhurst

With refinances, don't you only refinance when there is already a loan on the property? And when you want to pay off an old loan for smaller mortgage payments with a new lender loan? Im not sure how refinancing is coming into context here. If we assume I bought the property at $40,000 all cash for purchase price and repairs, then why would I refinance and put a liability in the balance sheet?