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All Forum Posts by: Ben Boru

Ben Boru has started 11 posts and replied 43 times.

Post: Redemption period questions

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Quote from @Joshua B.:
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Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Ben Boru

How would you, "buy homes 5 months post-auction instead on pre auction"?

In Michigan, you buy foreclosed properties at a courthouse Sheriff Sale. PERIOD.

The owner then has 6 months to redeem their property and pay off what the buyer paid at the auction + interest.

There are only two ways to shorten the 6-month redemption period:

1) If you can satisfactorily prove the property is not occupied
2) If you can negotiate with the owner to assign their interests to you

You could buy a foreclosed property post-auction, but you'd have to negotiate with the winning bidder to buy their interests.

FYI - there are also conditions under which a property may qualify for a 12-month redemption period.


 What conditions are they that turn it into a 12 month redemption period? That could be a huge deal because some people think we will see a sharp drop in low end home values soon. 


This is your answer. Specifically, section 12:

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc....



So if they owe less than 2/3 of the mortgage they get a year to get it back correct? 

Post: Redemption period questions

Ben BoruPosted
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Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Ben Boru

How would you, "buy homes 5 months post-auction instead on pre auction"?

In Michigan, you buy foreclosed properties at a courthouse Sheriff Sale. PERIOD.

The owner then has 6 months to redeem their property and pay off what the buyer paid at the auction + interest.

There are only two ways to shorten the 6-month redemption period:

1) If you can satisfactorily prove the property is not occupied
2) If you can negotiate with the owner to assign their interests to you

You could buy a foreclosed property post-auction, but you'd have to negotiate with the winning bidder to buy their interests.

FYI - there are also conditions under which a property may qualify for a 12-month redemption period.


 What conditions are they that turn it into a 12 month redemption period? That could be a huge deal because some people think we will see a sharp drop in low end home values soon. 

Post: Redemption period questions

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So in Michigan we have a 6 month redemption period. If I'm understanding this right it's 6 months from home auction date. Meaning you could buy the home and not be able to touch it for 6 months. In todays economy that could be a very big deal.  

How do I make sure that when I buy the home I can take ownership relatively quickly and avoid tying up money into something I can't touch for 6 months? Given the redemption period should I try to buy homes 5 months post-auction instead on pre auction? 

Post: Knocking on doors of foreclosure homes

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Quote from @Kerry Noble Jr:

yea i wouldnt count on a website.....i would use the county records.....and news paper info as its generally posted in the news paper......if you can get them at the NOD you will be great......NOS you gotta work a lot faster but still can be done....

I would start working on building my mindset.......selling.....rebutals.....building rapport.....etc.... but like someone else said youre better off skiptracing first and calling and use door knocking as last resort.....


Keep a big colorful notepad with you or make some doorhangers that stick out with your info on it...


NOD? NOS?

Post: Knocking on doors of foreclosure homes

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Quote from @Marty Boardman:
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Andrew, 

So if they are up for a foreclosure auction in a few weeks I can still help them salvage their credit by talking to the homeowner directly right? Amy advice or insight on this process? 

 You can't salvage their credit. It already shows as a foreclosure. Confusing, I know. But once the Notice of Trustee sale has been recorded, it lists as a foreclosure on their credit report. 

However, you can save their equity (cash to them). 

Depending on the state you want to do this in, laws vary. I'm hesitant to get too detailed since what may be legal in one state may be illegal in a state next to it and someone reading this will jump to the wrong conclusion and do the wrong thing and get into deep trouble.

But, you can buy a property before the auction directly from the owner. Use an escrow company, get a title report, know how much the payoff amount is and complete the transaction before the saledate. Also make plans for the owner to vacate. No exception. Because owners who stay will sue you after the fact claiming you made representations in the hopes of getting "their"  property back. A lawsuit like that will cost a minimum of $25,000 in legal fees and a year or two of litigation with no guarantee of the outcome.

Remember this, in real estate, No Good Deed Goes Unpunished. The court expects you to treat it as a business, not as a ministry. They will rule accordingly.


Mike thanks for the response and advice. So I was talking to the people who have their properties listed for auction, and one home I would really like said they already resolved the issue although auctiondotcom still had them listed as active. How up to date is that site? They probably lying? One person was very receptive and I'll follow up with. What the best way to pitch them on this?


When door knocking (if someone actually answers their door) you'll almost always have the owner say "I've got it taken care of". They may not necessarily be lying, but they are misinformed. Just because the owner is working the the lender (i.e. forbearance agreement) doesn't mean the legal proceedings end.

The sale doesn't get canceled until the loan is brought current or paid in full. That said, I wouldn't trust any third-party website for up to date and accurate information. I recommend you get this information directly from the county courthouse (or circuit court records) depending on how the notices are filed in your county. Regardless, congrats to you on being so motivated. I got my start door-knocking foreclosures and still use this strategy today. It's highly effective! Good luck Ben!


 Thank you for your help Marty. So are you just figuring out what they owe and going there with a cash offer pretty much? What's this process look like? 

Post: Knocking on doors of foreclosure homes

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Bump

Quote from @Minna Reid:

A bank loan is not the best tool in a time sensitive situation. If you buy into a good equity position, hard money is the way to go here.


 Any online hard money places you can recommend? 

Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Ben Boru

Need more details.

Like, why can't you get a regular mortgage on it?
- Don't have a down payment saved up?
- House in rough shape and won't pass appraisal?
- You already have a primary residence & mortgage, so don't have the 20% down required for an investment property loan?

Please help us help you, by sharing more details.

Okay so I am wet behind the ears so bear with me. Don't you want to close a foreclosure property deal as quick as possible and get the old owners paid and moving out especially when it's up for auction in a couple weeks? Are people who do this usually still getting a loan from a regular bank? I probably don't have 20% down either depending on how cheap I can get something. I do have 10 years doing remodeling as a licensed builder and good credit though. I did one complete house flip a few years ago but didn't have to figure out any of this stuff.

Quote from @Ronnie Galindo:

@Ben Boru, call hard money lenders! Some people will shy away from hard money but I have used them several times and they are great! Even though you pay more interest (usually your payment is just the interest and when you refinance/sell you pay their loan off) it is worth it to make it happen! Everything depends on lots of factors (credit, reserves, project, scope of work, etc.) but if you have the will, there is a way! Good luck! 

And if you have questions, message me and I can try to help!


 Okay so where would I go about finding these investors? I knew about one a few years back but can't find his info anymore. 

I am in West Michigan and looking to get a house flip underway. I want to buy it from a home owner directly preforclosure. Where do I go for financing something like this? I have good credit. (7.5)