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All Forum Posts by: Becca F.

Becca F. has started 25 posts and replied 858 times.

Post: Guide for Rookie Investors to Make Money

Becca F.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco Bay Area
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Well said! The last three California investors I talked to are buying at or above the median home price out of state, $400k to over $500k for those who already have a primary residence here or don't want to buy locally. Those three are doing new builds coincidentally. 

I think they've heard too many terrible stories of buying $100k to $150k single family homes. That's a recurring theme when I go to local meet ups about Class C in the Midwest/South when I talk to other investors here. 

Post: $175k Windfall: Is it not even worth looking at real estate investment these days?

Becca F.Posted
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@Michael Zagorsky

I agree with the other comments. You mentioned cashing out of the long term rentals and AirBnbs you had before. Was that because you didn't like investing in real estate anymore? Not trying to be too nosy. There is a hassle factor with RE for sure. 

For me if I came into a windfall, it'd be toss up between putting it in index funds and buying more real estate. My reasoning is to buy a rental property to leave my kids more property so they can either continue renting it out or one of them move into it as their primary home. It would NOT be for cash flow reasons for me - in fact I'd be break even (at best) without accounting for future capital expenses or vacancies, etc if I bought a new build (lower interest rate with builder) or negative cash flow. I bring this up because I've seen at least 6 posts (specifically from CA investors looking for cash flow).

I want to leave my kids assets because I think the younger generations will be in a very bad financial spot, unlikely they'll get Social Security, inflation, other world issues etc. I'm willing to sacrifice some of my own comfort and retiring earlier for my kids. 

I'd leave the money in a HYSA and let it sit while you think through your options. Good luck. 

Post: 💰 Are You Really Middle Class? Here's What the Data Says 💰

Becca F.Posted
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Wow. I thought California would be a lot higher but median skews the number lower vs using average, which I think would be higher with higher income earners pulling the number up. 

 A $85k would be considered low to moderate income in the San Francisco Bay Area. People can get BMR (Below Market Rate) apartments here (huge waiting list). They use Area Median Income (AMI) to determine some of these numbers. No one could even qualify for a mortgage here unless using a first time buyer assistance and some very generous cash gifts from parents for a huge down payment. Someone making $85k  is renting a rent controlled apartment from years ago or has a few roommates if paying market rate rent. A family of four in S.F. with $100k income is low income. 

Here's an example of CalHFA with income limits to qualify for first time homebuyer assistance. A household could make up to $325k in San Francisco. The lowest income I see is $185k for several of the Northern California counties.

https://www.calhfa.ca.gov/homeownership/limits/income/income...

It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of the major geographic areas: S.F. Bay Area, Central Valley, L.A., San Diego, and less populated NorCal and SoCal areas etc. 

Post: Next step in real estate

Becca F.Posted
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Quote from @Dan H.:

@Becca F. I read the OP’s original post.  It was not clear to mo that his properties are in San Diego or CA.   My response will assume OP is invested in So Cal.  

What he seems to be burned out on is nearly my path in San  RE except I have mostly small MF but I will address some of his questions/comments.

>I don't have as much appetite for single family homes due to the work involved in getting loans and meager cashflow, expenses, low return, etc etc.

I question how someone in So Cal market is getting low returns.   my worst appreciating property has appreciated over $2700/month.   My best appreciating has appreciated over $10k/month.  I suspect virtually all non commercial MF purchased more than a couple years ago to fall between these 2 numbers.

There is poor correlation between initial cash flow and actual long term cash flow. The reason for this is that RE market prices are based on numerous criteria. Some of the big ones are expected appreciation, expected rent growth, and risks. In most markets, the market with the highest rent to price ratio is the lowest class areas. This is because of the risks and effort to have rentals in that market. Similarly, the markets with the best initial cash flow typically have poor historical appreciation and rent growth. The properties with poor initial cash flow often have good/great historical appreciation. Rent growth has a strong relationship to appreciation. The better appreciating property is likely to have the better cash flow over a long hold..  All my properties have rent to purchase cost ratios above 1%, many over 2%, and one over 4%.   My cash flow is modest only because I have extracted value.   My cash flow would exceed virtually all other markets if I had not extracted money out of the properties.

Residential RE is not passive.  You can make it more passive by using a good PM.  It still is not passive.

>I would like to grow my portfolio/business, but not sure what is the best approach since I have maxed out conventional loans

Usually around the time you run out of conventional loan options you recognize other loan options. I have 10 conventional loans, but I also have crazy DTI (over 800 to 1). I cannot get conventional loans but have not found it to be a huge hurdle. DSCR loans and portfolio loans are good for near stabilized properties.

>I am in a high price area where there are not many rentals with any cashflow and I don't like betting purely on appreciation

See my earlier comment on initial cash flow vs the cash flow over the hold.   The market with better rent growth will always have the better cash flow with enough time.   A lot of investors look at the initial cash flow and do not recognize the inverse relationship of initial cash flow to actual cash flow over a long hold.   If I had not extracted cash out of my San Diego properties, how do you think my cash flow would compare to high initial cash flow markets like Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo, etc?   I think the answer is obvious.   

>Should I sell some of my rentals

If you properties where purchased before q2 2022 you likely have a below current market interest rate and artificially liw property tax due to prop 13.   I think if you have burn out, you could hire a PM and likely do better than you can do on a new acquisition.

>What is the next step?

I suggest you seek your passion going forward.   You can succeed or fail in any of your proposed paths, but you are more likely to succeed and enjoy the path more if it is a passion.   For me I have come to recognize that I enjoy building wealth.  I enjoy identifying opportunities, optimizing those opportunities, and seeing my net worth grow.   I also enjoy researching syndications and benefitting on a passive basis (but my recent history is not good (2 of the 3 I have entered in the last few years appear to be doing poorly).


good luck


 Thanks for your perspective. I assumed OP's properties are all in California and probably San Diego area. 

I was wondering why OP wasn't getting a good return if they started buying in 2010 with low property tax unless they weren't raising rents on single family tenants. I've talked to several Bay Area long-term investors (going back to 1990s to 2008) who said they never raise rents on good tenants and was shocked - I admire them being charitable but I wouldn't do that. 

I don't know about buying apartment buildings OOS. That was suggested to me - huge pass, give up a SFH here with low property from Prop. 13 for the unknown but I don't have a large portfolio.

It'll be interesting to hear back from OP to our comments. 

Post: ​​July 2025 Rental Market Deep‑Dive - Price changes, Days on Market, etc.

Becca F.Posted
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  • San Francisco Bay Area
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Quote from @Bradley Buxton:

@Becca F.

If you're looking for rental data in Reno I have 26,000+ rental comps mapped out. I also have access to the local MLS and commercial data. There is some nuance to the markets based on zip code and region. Sparks, Reno, Spanish Springs etc, as there is with any metro area.

Thanks Brad! I was just wondering why Reno wasn't included for Nevada. Everyone in the world knows about Vegas. I would consider Reno a major city in Nevada. 

Should I infer that longer DOM means trending toward buyer's market in Reno? And more rentals available, is that a good or bad thing for investors looking to buy? 

In the Bay Area homes are sitting longer - no more multiple offers on properties just thrown up on the MLS. A few people are doing set the price low to try to start a bidding war, not sure if that's successful.

Post: ​​July 2025 Rental Market Deep‑Dive - Price changes, Days on Market, etc.

Becca F.Posted
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Quote from @Matt Thelen:
Quote from @Becca F.:
Quote from @Matt Thelen:
Quote from @Becca F.:

This is great info with the state by state and metro details! 

I think San Francisco has made a bit of a comeback after people leaving during COVID and with more return to office mandates. And there are some people who love living in the city.  I'm a little surprised that San Jose had slight declines. 

Thanks for sharing!

Agreed. I've been wondering how the AI boom might be impacting the resurgence of the broader Bay Area (SF especially but South Bay and Peninsula too)

 On the Nevada one, were you able to find data for Reno? I looked in Reno, considering Vegas. I'm kind of surprised Vegas is down 4% for YoY since Vegas is huge entertainment and tourism. The Oakland Raiders (football) and As (baseball), both from the Bay Area are now in Vegas

Do you mind if I DM you about my specific situation? 


 Yes, go ahead!

Reno - avg rent: $1,850, 805 total rentals available now, 35 DOM for houses


 Thanks Matt! I just DM'ed you. 

Post: ​​July 2025 Rental Market Deep‑Dive - Price changes, Days on Market, etc.

Becca F.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco Bay Area
  • Posts 865
  • Votes 1,254
Quote from @Matt Thelen:
Quote from @Becca F.:

This is great info with the state by state and metro details! 

I think San Francisco has made a bit of a comeback after people leaving during COVID and with more return to office mandates. And there are some people who love living in the city.  I'm a little surprised that San Jose had slight declines. 

Thanks for sharing!

Agreed. I've been wondering how the AI boom might be impacting the resurgence of the broader Bay Area (SF especially but South Bay and Peninsula too)

 On the Nevada one, were you able to find data for Reno? I looked in Reno, considering Vegas. I'm kind of surprised Vegas is down 4% for YoY since Vegas is huge entertainment and tourism. The Oakland Raiders (football) and As (baseball), both from the Bay Area are now in Vegas

Do you mind if I DM you about my specific situation? 

Post: Next step in real estate

Becca F.Posted
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@Madhan S.

You have the portfolio I dream of with many single family homes in California. I have a small portfolio including one multi-unit (apartment complex) in the Bay Area. I'm keeping my CA properties to pass onto my kids. 

You don't mention specifics such as your rental income vs. mortgage payments or prices your purchased these properties at. If you started 15 years ago, so around 2010 that was a good time to buy. And your property taxes are likely still reasonable with the 2% max increase a year from Prop. 13. In many other states the property taxes go up significantly, especially for investors. 

In reality there is no high cashflow on traditional long term rentals anywhere in 2025. Anyone who is telling you this for single family is trying to sell you something, putting 40% down, paying cash (now locking up large amounts of money) or doing STRs or other riskier strategy. 

I also invest OOS in Indianapolis metro area. I also lived in Indiana and rented out my Class A (nice suburb, great schools) home when I moved back to CA but I bought it in 2013 and have a low interest rate. Home has doubled in value in 10 years (not bad for Midwest) and I'm cash flowing  but my property taxes go up significantly each year. Insurance costs are reasonable. I bought 2 Class C homes in 2023 "cash flow on paper" (sold one of them recently to cut my losses). I'm -$300 to -$500 a month with repairs called in by tenant most months. It might be stabilizing now after 2 years. 

I'm assuming your properties are in nice areas of San Diego or SoCal? I can't speak to buying multi-family OOS since I don't own any MF properties OOS. You might consider NNN leases - don't have to deal with residential tenants and repairs. This is what CA Investor I know is doing buying commercial in the South and Midwest (fast food, coffee shops, medical office space) and his NNN tenants pay the property tax, insurance and maintenance costs).

I guess if you can work remotely with your high tech CA paying job and move to another state that could work but I personally wouldn't start selling your CA properties off without some well planned strategy. Please don't buy any $50k to $200k Class C properties OOS to try to "cash flow". It will be eaten up in repairs, capital expenses or tenant issues. I've talked to many CA investors losing money buying cheap properties.

Thoughts on this @Jay Hinrichs or @Dan H.? Guys sorry for tagging you but this is at least the 6th post I've seen recently from CA investors and this investor already has a nice portfolio built up. 

Post: ​​July 2025 Rental Market Deep‑Dive - Price changes, Days on Market, etc.

Becca F.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco Bay Area
  • Posts 865
  • Votes 1,254

This is great info with the state by state and metro details! 

I think San Francisco has made a bit of a comeback after people leaving during COVID and with more return to office mandates. And there are some people who love living in the city.  I'm a little surprised that San Jose had slight declines. 

Thanks for sharing!

Post: Choosing a location to purchase my first rental

Becca F.Posted
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  • San Francisco Bay Area
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Quote from @Chaim Mal:

@Becca F. I don't plan on buying c class at the moment. If I were to stay local, how would you suggest to look at let's say nj (you are right about me being in ny ) how can I evaluate which part might be best ? 

 I don't know anything about the NY or NJ market. The only thing I've heard is that upstate NY properties would cost less than NYC area. 

Your post mentioned "high cash flowing areas". I agree with Nicholas' comments about not cash flowing the first few years. This is especially true now in 2025 market vs. 2012-2018

Here are some general strategies that California investors I know are using (which may or may not work where you're looking and you'll need to factor in NY/NJ local rental laws)

- To lessen negative cash flow (not eliminate it): mid-term or short term rentals. This depends on the market. STRs are oversaturated in many cities. This is more labor intensive than a traditional long term rental and you need to furnish it and pay for utilities and WiFi/internet. 

- Rent by the room (called co-living by some): will usually get more rent than renting to an individual/couple/family but tenant dynamics (roommate situations) could be challenging

- Buy a property with an ADU (accessory dwelling unit). This seems to be more popular on the West Coast. Or add that onto your primary residence property and rent it out or live in the ADU yourself and rent out the main house. Construction costs could be high.

- Buying new build. The builder will often offer a lower interest rate. Research who's a good vs. average vs. terrible builder in your area. 

I'd recommend that you attend local meetups. You can talk to NY investors who buy in-state and out of state. You'll get different perspectives from those of us that don't even live in NY/NJ and are commenting on your post. Some of them may even let you walk their projects. Good luck.