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All Forum Posts by: Barbara G.

Barbara G. has started 10 posts and replied 827 times.

Post: In Unit Washer/Dryers?

Barbara G.Posted
  • Hartsdale, NY
  • Posts 874
  • Votes 218
Originally posted by @Amit M.:

I have also been wrestling with this exact question. The first thing is that it really depends on your market and the rents- the higher end the market, the more important the amenities are. 

I own property in San Francisco, so like you are in an expensive market. One duplex I have will need to gut remodel. In this case it much easier to invest in all the necessary plumbing and electrical needed. Plus I have space near my bathrooms, where all the plumbing passes by anyways. But even so, I expect it to cost me $2500-3000 per apartment (incl. the WD units). 

In another triplex I just brought, there are new coin op WD in the garage. To be honest I'm not sure how much of a turn off it is for tenants to share the machines with 2 other couples in the building. But I know in this case that it does not make sense to go in the units. I'm trying to get a sense from new perspective tenants. 

I am trying to figure out how a gut rehab of an apartment can only cost $2,500 to $3,000, including a washer and dryer and Refrigerator, and stove, and dishwasher, and kitchen cabinets, and counter tops and tile floors and bathroom fixtures, and painting, and electrical, and plumbing.  Come here and do that for me for $3,000.

About your Triplex with the machine in the garage, perhaps when one unit is empty you can try the w/d "en suite" and charge the $50.00 extra and see how it goes.

Post: In Unit Washer/Dryers?

Barbara G.Posted
  • Hartsdale, NY
  • Posts 874
  • Votes 218
Originally posted by @Eva Salas:

@Barbara G. The trend is towards on sweet W/D's (gracias to 

@Roy N.  :-) for that explanation! I don't think there would be much if any perceived value of just hook ups when so many are going on sweet. That's just our mkt here and I'm seeing it more and more. 

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Yes you are very high end.  Here, as I said we are getting $1,100 for a small 2 Bedroom apartment (in a duplex) that costs $600.00 in expenses, (we don't set aside a managment fee as we do it)  including principal and interest.  I don't  think most of the other low end apartments have Washers and Dryers or Hook ups for them (all of our tenants have their own w/d) so I think our apartments are more desirable and we would consider doing that in the future in anything we buy.  On those $2,000 apartments how much cash flow is there?   

Post: In Unit Washer/Dryers?

Barbara G.Posted
  • Hartsdale, NY
  • Posts 874
  • Votes 218

@EVA

No body has addressed the option of just putting the washer dryer hook ups in the apartments and letting the tenants buy their own w/d.  Am I missing something here? We are really happy about our not supplying a washer dryer but just providing the hook up.  I am sure that our apartments are easier to rent because the tenants can have  their own washer dryer and no one is complaining about supplying their own w/d and I don't know if any apartments furnish washer dryers for their tenants.  We are in the state of Conn.     Do you think you do much better buying the washer dryer and servicing them rather then just suppling the hook ups?

 Well I am also impressed and envious about these apartments. Eva has that  rent for $2,000 plus and she has a managment company to boot.    We feel lucky just getting $1,200 for a 2 bedroom, an we manage our own small portfolio.    How much more do you get in cash flow on these apartments that rent in the $2,000 range?  

We have very nice tenants.  They work hard, they pay their rent, they are no trouble.

Post: In Unit Washer/Dryers?

Barbara G.Posted
  • Hartsdale, NY
  • Posts 874
  • Votes 218
Originally posted by @Roy N.:

@Barbara G.

When we have converted properties from a common laundry room to en suite, we've placed laundry in all units  and made a moderate increase in rent ($25 - $50 /month) to existing tenants.

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Roy I am totally blown away by your "en suite".  Where does this word come from?  

$25.00 or $50,00 sounds like a good  and reasonable amount to charge.    We have just purchased another 2 duplexes.  These new duplexes also have W/D hook ups provided by the previous owners.  All 4 tenants have their own w/d in their "en suite".  We don't want to service, or replace w/d units, but we do want our tenants to have their own with our provided hook ups.

As the other posters have said, it isn't about the money its about having a much more desirable apartment.  I know, personally I would never move anywhere unless i had a washer and dryer, and I don't want one in the Basement, I want it on the floor where it is easy to access.

Post: In Unit Washer/Dryers?

Barbara G.Posted
  • Hartsdale, NY
  • Posts 874
  • Votes 218

@Eva Salas

Eva I don't understand how you are handling this.  You say the apartments are occupied.  How are you going to handle it with the occupied tenents?  Are you going to ask them if they want to be upgraded to wthe W/D units?  How much of a raise are you going to request?

If the apartments are unoccupied are you just going to put in the w'd units?  $100.00 seems like a lot of money.

Barbara

Post: In Unit Washer/Dryers?

Barbara G.Posted
  • Hartsdale, NY
  • Posts 874
  • Votes 218

Yes if you are getting stack units the 2 piece are better for the very reason you mention.  Unfortunatly sometimes only the one piece stack fits because of the slightly smaller size of the 1 piece stack

Post: In Unit Washer/Dryers?

Barbara G.Posted
  • Hartsdale, NY
  • Posts 874
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We bought 2 side by side duplexes that had washer, dryers in the utility closet.  We had no idea who these belonged to but assummed the tenants owned them.  One tenant moved out almost immediately and took the w/d with them.

This is a blue collar/immigrant area and we feel allowing the w/d is an important positive feature. The rent is $1,100 for a 2 bedroom.   The downside was water damage on the floor beneath all the w/d units and we had to repair/replace those areas.  So we never bought the w/d but are just responsible for the hook ups and we prefer not to have to buy or service or own the w/d units.  We still feel just the hook ups and space makes our units more diserable and easier to rent.

So that's another option you might want to think about.

Post: Question multi-family

Barbara G.Posted
  • Hartsdale, NY
  • Posts 874
  • Votes 218
Originally posted by @Eva Salas:

Well, not knowing what you do ask, it's hard to answer what you might be missing...When you get a property under contract you can delve deep into the particulars of the building and its finances.  I might ask what the historical vacancy rate is for the building, what the general demographic of the tenant base is, what capital improvements have been made in the last few years, etc. Are rents at or below market? A good agent who specializes in multi family will know the cap rates at which other units are selling for in the area and what the rent trends are. 

What are some of the questions you do ask? 

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I agree that these are important questions but don't you want this information BEFORE you go to contract?  Your offer is actually based on the answers to these questions.

I have a 17 year old Grandchild who has opted out of going to college.  She says she wants to buy property and be a real estate agent.  Its pretty frightning.  I told her I would pay for the real estate course.  Lets see what is going to happen here.

Originally posted by @Christian Vanderwall:

Would it be possible to split a single apartment unit into 2, 3, or even 4 units and rent each one out separatel

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What kind of apartment?

Is it a house?

What does the zoning say?

How much will the rnovation cost?

How much is the property "AS IS"