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All Forum Posts by: Austin Works

Austin Works has started 55 posts and replied 182 times.

Post: Creating LLC's to own LLC's

Austin WorksPosted
  • Investor
  • West Monroe, LA
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 70
Wow - I cannot tell you how many questions this answers for me. This is by far one of the most helpful pieces of information I've ever received regarding REI.  I really appreciate the help! One more question: Do you suggest implementing several off these pillars, or choosing one? Example, could I hold all assets in one LLC (and add an umbrella policy for extended protection), and then operate from another? I'm a fairly newer real estate investor, but this one LLC hold a little over $1M in assets. I failed to stop and spread them out, and got so consumed with buying that I never slowed down to make a strategy. 

Originally posted by @Scott Smith:

@Austin Works There are different trains of thought regarding how many LLCs to incorporate. It really comes down to how much protection you want. When meeting with clients the first order is to discuss (A) their personal assets, (B) break down their current investments portfolio and other business ventures before discussing any (C) future goals. Each of these variables will dramatically change the advice for the individual asking this question. I often break it down into the "five pillars" of protecting your assets.

1st pillar is avoiding unnecessary and risky activities (don't drink and drive, insurance generally won’t cover your poor decisions) and take good care of your investments - these simple steps will help you prevent lawsuits before they even occur.

2nd pillar is a good insurance policy as that cover the majority of your exposure. However, insurance is limited because it only protects you from one type of liability: accidents/negligence. Insurance doesn’t protect you from any part of the sale or acquisition of a property (e.x. Somebody wanting to sue for you backing out of a bad deal or accusing you of selling them a property with defects like unknown termite damage). Insurance also doesn’t protect you from misunderstandings, especially those made in writing and email. What happens in these misunderstandings is that something goes wrong either in the sale or after, and then they sue you for some statement you made that they “misunderstood”. That lawsuit is a claim for fraud, and that’s what fraud typically is...a misunderstanding and someone being “injured” and wanting to hold the other responsible for it. Insurance never protects you from these kinds of claims and they happen all the time.

3rd pillar applies after you have good insurance You need to protect yourself from what insurance doesn’t cover by compartmentalizing your assets. Compartmentalization means that if something happens to one property they can't touch you or the other properties. You should use either LLC's (the old and expensive way) or a Series LLC (the new and more cost/time effective way). No matter where you live or where you own assets, I personally recommend the Series LLC to be a great tool for the individual investor who is planning to expand their operation, as it allows for you to scale infinitely for FREE- check out this article to learn more.

4th pillar is somewhat similar - you want to separate your operations from your assets. One company owns everything and does nothing (this is your SLLC a/k/a "asset holding company") and a completely separate company handles all of your operations (this is a traditional LLC a/k/a "operating company") For the operating company which serves as your face to the world and through which you do all your business, you establish a Traditional LLC to carry out the operations of your investments. The operating company takes on all of the liability that would otherwise blow back on you including: paying property management, paying contractors, collecting rent, marketing, etc.

5th pillar is owning everything anonymously. If people don't know what you own, then they are less likely to sue. People don't sue people that qualify for food stamps. This anonymity can be accomplished for free by using Trusts to own your companies as well as the assets. Trusts create this anonymity by removing your name from public record. Even if they can see you used to own a property, when properly transferred it will look like it was sold to investors. If they somehow guess you are the owner still, it doesn't matter because you are not the owner. The trust and the LLC are the owner of the asset/real estate, so even in the scenario that they guess, they guess wrong.

The idea of "no risk" doesn't exist legally. If you own a property, or benefit from it, then liability is attached to you. The ultimate goal is to keep yourself protected from frivolous lawsuits, and each of these strategies will help give you additional layers of defense. The rich don't own anything, they just control assets. Trying to pin anything on them is next to impossible, because they have implemented these strategies plus many more (from equity stripping to offshore trusts, you name it.) You want to scale your protection in the same way - the more money you have the more incentive people will find to file a lawsuit against you.

This isn't legal advice, just my opinion as a real estate investor.

Post: Creating LLC's to own LLC's

Austin WorksPosted
  • Investor
  • West Monroe, LA
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Scott Smith:

Hey George, I create the types of entities that you are describing quite often. What questions do you have?

Is this a good alternative to opening a new LLC for every few properties? Can you use this as a shield? As in, could you operate under an LLC that owns no assets and lease an asset owned by another LLC with no risk to the LLC that owns the asset?

Post: 90 Days of Intention MASTERMIND

Austin WorksPosted
  • Investor
  • West Monroe, LA
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 70

I'm very interested in joining a committed and involved group. I am currently in another group, but I've been leaning to join a second group. I am an active investor with a goal of purchasing 20 units in 2019/5 units in 90 days. I've gotten 2 under contract since January 1.

What are your thoughts on doing a lease option as an exit strategy on a property that was planned to be a flip? The contractor has dragged the job out so long, that any relief from carrying the payment on this one is appealing, but do you think I'll risk a down shift in the market by giving the potential buyer a 24 month window to buy? Stress!!

Post: Goals - What are yours for 2019? + 90 Days Journal

Austin WorksPosted
  • Investor
  • West Monroe, LA
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 70

I'm currently using the 90 Days of Intention Journal, and I am finding it difficult to use so far, but it's probably my lack of creativity. What are your goals for the year? What about for the next 90 days? How are you working towards achieving them?

Post: Schmoozing an agent or wholesaler

Austin WorksPosted
  • Investor
  • West Monroe, LA
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 70

@Doug Pretorius @Jordan Moorhead @Theo Hicks, since all of your responses are similar, I figured I'd group my response to all. I have definitely bought deals from both wholesalers and a one or two agents, but a lot of the "deals" in my area are in very low end neighborhoods, which I don't buy in, though many investors in my area do.  Since so many deals are in these areas, it may appear that I pass on a lot of deals, when in reality I'm just not interested in the hood rentals. Would it be worth it to maybe buy one or two of these despite my preference to build on the relationship? It's tricky, I know. 

Post: Schmoozing an agent or wholesaler

Austin WorksPosted
  • Investor
  • West Monroe, LA
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 70

Good afternoon BP-

I am frequently in contact with a few agents and wholesalers in my area in an attempt to be one of the first investors that come to mind when a deal comes across their desk. While I'll probably never be everyone's "go to" investor when deals come up, how can I build a relationship with these individuals to where I might be higher on their list, when I only come in contact with these individuals when deals do come up and I am made aware of them, which isn't super frequent? Any help is appreciated!

Post: Section 8/Heating

Austin WorksPosted
  • Investor
  • West Monroe, LA
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 70

@Tariq B., I just had a house fail section 8's inspection because I had baseboard heaters installed, and these can become pretty hot on the surface, creating liability. What was your resolution for this? I did find a hardwired heater made by Cadet, but they are very expensive. Looking for a more affordable option, since every room requires heat. Any suggestions? House is total electric.

Post: Ride the Momentum or Slow My Roll?

Austin WorksPosted
  • Investor
  • West Monroe, LA
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 70

@Danny Webber - can you tell me what you mean by no risk partnership? I actually decided to wholesale my most recent lead yesterday, but ironically it's probably the best deal I've ever had come across. I'd much rather be involved in the deal than make a fee for selling it. 

Post: Ride the Momentum or Slow My Roll?

Austin WorksPosted
  • Investor
  • West Monroe, LA
  • Posts 196
  • Votes 70

I am starting to get more quality leads than I can handle financially, but I know I could make it work by taking on some extra risk (balance transfer from credit cards). I have an income from my job, but this doesn't cover all bills, leaving real estate to cover the rest. To this point, I have been successful in covering my costs of living plus enjoying the extras in life through flipping houses, but I would like to scale. My dilemma is that I've got my cash tied up in 2 flips at the moment, and I'm getting more quality leads than ever before.  Should I just turn these deals away to avoid taking on more than I can financially handle, or should I risk it all by taking balance transfers from credit cards to purchase these additional deals? My real concern is covering so many payments every month, since flipping comes with such a delayed payday. Is this just typical growing pains for a growing real estate investor?