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Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

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Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:
Take $20M, pick up 50 single-family homes at ~$400k each. Rent them at $3k, net about $2k per door. That’s $100k/month in cash flow, plus appreciation. Low-maintenance properties, low-drama tenants, simple portfolio. It’s not flashy, but it’s clean, seats enough to self mange (for the REPS tax benefits), and lets you live well without headaches
Hi Gregory, I currently own 32 long-term rentals and they are all managed by property managers but even then there are enough annoying tasks that I don't plan to increase the number of long-term rentals. From renewing rental licenses, to renewing insurance, to approving major repairs, to pulling the trigger on evicting someone, long-term rentals, while sometimes these and other tasks are handled hands off, in other cases the properties do demand some of your time even when you have a property manager. In my case, when it comes to investing larger amounts of money, it's all passive multi-family. Higher returns and more hands off if you know how to choose deals well.
Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

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Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:
Take $20M, pick up 50 single-family homes at ~$400k each. Rent them at $3k, net about $2k per door. That’s $100k/month in cash flow, plus appreciation. Low-maintenance properties, low-drama tenants, simple portfolio. It’s not flashy, but it’s clean, seats enough to self mange (for the REPS tax benefits), and lets you live well without headaches
$3k at $400k is hard, but possible. Have some higher, some lower, but mainly higher. You'll still have tenant issues, maintenance, etc. To think it'll be all roses is just naive. Fortunately have PMs, AI agents, etc.
With $10 mil continue to be focused on properties in Austin, and Phoenix. Doesn't change for me on the personal portfolio.
$1mil folks worry about protecting their wealth. $10mil folks focus on growing their wealth. But to get to the latter, you usually have to go through the former. Majority of this board shouldn't be focused on this problem though. Think it's just to sniff out potential investors for OPs fund.
Hi V.G., the goal is to encourage actual real estate experts, actual people that operate at this scale, to share techniques that work at this scale and help educate people to head in that direction as well. If you anyone wants to operate at this scale, they need to focus on learning techniques that work at this scale. When it comes to building wealth, you can waste decades of your life learning labor intensive techniques and building a portfolio that simply doesn't scale.
Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

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Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:
All on black. Please and thanks. It's in God's hands now.
Okay, now you have a slightly less than 50% chance of having $20M assuming you could find a place that would take a single bet at this level. What would you do with $20M?
Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

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Quote from @Chris Howell:
I would put about 5 million in heavy rehab apartment complex with no debt and hit about 15%+ return and then put 2 million into super safe 4% return CD and 1.25 million into stocks, gold, bitcoin. 750k into a syndication that says they give 20% return. 500k as an angle investor in a new company. 250k into money market savings account and 250k invested in my mental health!!! (AKA wasted on vacations)
Hi Chris, is heavy apartment rehab an area you have worked in before? Would love to hear about some of your prior experience in this area.
Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

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Quote from @Becca F.:
Possibly NNN leases out of state, no more dealing with residential tenants and repairs. Maybe multi-units in Nevada.
The allocation probably $2.5 to 3 million in real estate. The other $6 to 7 million in public markets (index funds, some individual stocks, Master Limited Partnerships and Business Development Companies, some REITs, gold) - the same as my answer to $1million question.
Possibly start up a small business and take out an SBA loan so maybe $500k (haven't researched this so I'm just throwing out a random number).
Thanks Becca, have you invested in NNN property before? If not, do you know people that have built NNN portfolios?
Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

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The post If you had $1M, how would you invest it? sparked off some great contributions and ideas from the community, so let's up the amount! If you won or inherited or otherwise suddenly had $10M in cash, how would you invest it? Looking to hear from people that know how to handle large sums of money and make them grow strongly. Would you need a team of people or could you easily deploy the amount yourself? Would you need to build any tech or do you already have everything in place? How much work would it take you to begin to get $10M working for you? How long would it take you to get all of the funds into investments and growing? What kind of return would you target? Would you focus on one strategy or multiple? Aspirational ideas welcome. Stories from people with experience at this level especially welcome :-)
Post: If you had $1M, how would you invest it?

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In my own case, I'll be putting the $1M in Crossing 5 from BAM capital. That's what I actually plan to do IRL. This is just the latest deal due diligence has been completed on, I've got no financial connection to the project. I like ground up multifamily development, and participating in such projects as an LP. Love addressing housing shortages. This will take me from 2200+ doors to 2500+ doors as an LP.
Can you expound on that a bit more, please?
Sure, happy to elaborate. I currently have a $31M portfolio spanning cash, stocks, renewable energy, 33 houses, 7 flips in progress, and an LP stake in 2200 doors of multifamily. LP is short for limited partner, and just means you contribute capital to a big deal managed by general partners (GPs). Being an LP in a multifamily deal means you are totally hands-off. You do the due diligence on the GPs (the operators of the deal) and the deal itself, choose the best operators with the best deals, and then you wire money into their deal. There are many, many different ways to invest in multifamily. My personal preference is development since I like being part of the process of increasing housing supply. As with anything in real estate, you do best when you find something you really enjoy. I *really* enjoy participating in building things. My current multifamily portfolio spans 15 addresses across 8 states, and 8 different operators. The multifamily properties range from just 32 units to 330 units. Each unit is a door. The next deal (Crossing 5 from BAM capital) that I'll add to my portfolio will be a mix of multifamily apartments, townhomes, fully serviced with pickleball courts, community center, etc, etc --- an entire community totaling 315 doors. The general parameters in multifamily development are frequently approximately four years to take dirt, build a community, lease it out, and sell it to a pension fund. The finished product is viewed by the pension fund a bit like a bond. If 5% income generated on capital (plus depreciation tax benefits and asset appreciation as rents grow) is deemed acceptable then a building generating $10 million of net operating income (NOI) each year would be worth $200 million. A typical development deal at the moment tries to build a building at a cost such that net operating income is around 7% of the total build cost. In other words built for significantly less than it can be sold for. Using the above numbers you would need to complete the building using under $143M to hit 7% NOI. In my case as an investor I generate massive cash flow by getting involved in a series of development deals: wire money in, four years later get more money back with the upside taxed as long-term capital gains, and the tax due only if I haven't generated sufficient deductions in prior years from other assets, and generally speaking I have more deductions than I need to zero out my income on paper each year. It's a conveyor belt of deals rather than holding assets long term for cash flow. Each development typically targets doubling the money you put in over those 4 years. Putting $1M into a single deal may seem like a lot, but it is less than 5% of my total portfolio, so it is an appropriate addition to it, and it will bring my total doors as an LP to over 2500. I currently have approximately $8M total invested in multifamily. Happy to connect with anyone that wants to learn more.
Austin ,
On the build to sell like your talking about how do you get cap gains and not ordinary income the building is being built to sell its inventory.. Just like when I built out my 90 home project here in Oregon its all ordinary income.. Unless of course the idea is build lease out and hold for at least a year or more then sell . But then your having to recapture the depreciation although I dont think you get depreciation for the whole investment only when the asset is put into service.. So I guess at C O ( Certificate of Occupany) is when the depreciation starts.. I dont know for sure but I am thinking I might be right I will have to check in with bam on the Crossing 5 deal .. thanks for mentioning that one.
Ground up multi-family with hundreds of units does indeed get leased up and stabilized before sale. Part of the reason these projects take multiple years from the point of view of the investor. There can be some depreciation associated with participating, and this will be recaptured, so this is not where the bulk of my deductions come from. I still have millions in banked bonus depreciation from when I bought 33 houses in 18 months during covid. Those houses continue to generate additional depreciation deductions each year. I also run a personally guaranteed debt fund, and that generates very substantial interest deductions, over a $1M a year. That business itself also has substantial costs to run that become additional deductions. In summary, the multifamily is taxed as capital gains, but my deductions come from elsewhere.
my question was not about your personal tax situation.. it was how tax treatment is done on a ground up apartment syndication that their intent is to sell it like inventory.. Its just like my new builds they are inventory so we do not get cap gains.. its why we need to make 100% or more COC which we do .. so when your paying ordinary income tax it still beneficial to be a new home builder. I have 4 entitlement deals going 3 as a capital partner one as a secured lender and those we will flip the plats one of them has an 8 figure NET profit which will be taxed at ordinary income rates.. ITs a 320 lot deal in WA DC sold to Lennar Corp.. the other two I did there one was sold to Toll Brothers and the other a regional. The one were I did a debt deal is in Bend Oregon and also sold to Lennar for townhouses and their apartment buidling arm. But again these are all ordinary income events.. so I guess its just the old adage we want right ones not write offs.. :)
Crossing 5 will be taxed as long term capital gains. Just double checked this with the operator.
Post: If you had $1M, how would you invest it?

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- Reseda, CA
- Posts 258
- Votes 137
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Austin Fowler:
Quote from @Joe S.:
Quote from @Austin Fowler:
In my own case, I'll be putting the $1M in Crossing 5 from BAM capital. That's what I actually plan to do IRL. This is just the latest deal due diligence has been completed on, I've got no financial connection to the project. I like ground up multifamily development, and participating in such projects as an LP. Love addressing housing shortages. This will take me from 2200+ doors to 2500+ doors as an LP.
Can you expound on that a bit more, please?
Sure, happy to elaborate. I currently have a $31M portfolio spanning cash, stocks, renewable energy, 33 houses, 7 flips in progress, and an LP stake in 2200 doors of multifamily. LP is short for limited partner, and just means you contribute capital to a big deal managed by general partners (GPs). Being an LP in a multifamily deal means you are totally hands-off. You do the due diligence on the GPs (the operators of the deal) and the deal itself, choose the best operators with the best deals, and then you wire money into their deal. There are many, many different ways to invest in multifamily. My personal preference is development since I like being part of the process of increasing housing supply. As with anything in real estate, you do best when you find something you really enjoy. I *really* enjoy participating in building things. My current multifamily portfolio spans 15 addresses across 8 states, and 8 different operators. The multifamily properties range from just 32 units to 330 units. Each unit is a door. The next deal (Crossing 5 from BAM capital) that I'll add to my portfolio will be a mix of multifamily apartments, townhomes, fully serviced with pickleball courts, community center, etc, etc --- an entire community totaling 315 doors. The general parameters in multifamily development are frequently approximately four years to take dirt, build a community, lease it out, and sell it to a pension fund. The finished product is viewed by the pension fund a bit like a bond. If 5% income generated on capital (plus depreciation tax benefits and asset appreciation as rents grow) is deemed acceptable then a building generating $10 million of net operating income (NOI) each year would be worth $200 million. A typical development deal at the moment tries to build a building at a cost such that net operating income is around 7% of the total build cost. In other words built for significantly less than it can be sold for. Using the above numbers you would need to complete the building using under $143M to hit 7% NOI. In my case as an investor I generate massive cash flow by getting involved in a series of development deals: wire money in, four years later get more money back with the upside taxed as long-term capital gains, and the tax due only if I haven't generated sufficient deductions in prior years from other assets, and generally speaking I have more deductions than I need to zero out my income on paper each year. It's a conveyor belt of deals rather than holding assets long term for cash flow. Each development typically targets doubling the money you put in over those 4 years. Putting $1M into a single deal may seem like a lot, but it is less than 5% of my total portfolio, so it is an appropriate addition to it, and it will bring my total doors as an LP to over 2500. I currently have approximately $8M total invested in multifamily. Happy to connect with anyone that wants to learn more.
Austin ,
On the build to sell like your talking about how do you get cap gains and not ordinary income the building is being built to sell its inventory.. Just like when I built out my 90 home project here in Oregon its all ordinary income.. Unless of course the idea is build lease out and hold for at least a year or more then sell . But then your having to recapture the depreciation although I dont think you get depreciation for the whole investment only when the asset is put into service.. So I guess at C O ( Certificate of Occupany) is when the depreciation starts.. I dont know for sure but I am thinking I might be right I will have to check in with bam on the Crossing 5 deal .. thanks for mentioning that one.
Ground up multi-family with hundreds of units does indeed get leased up and stabilized before sale. Part of the reason these projects take multiple years from the point of view of the investor. There can be some depreciation associated with participating, and this will be recaptured, so this is not where the bulk of my deductions come from. I still have millions in banked bonus depreciation from when I bought 33 houses in 18 months during covid. Those houses continue to generate additional depreciation deductions each year. I also run a personally guaranteed debt fund, and that generates very substantial interest deductions, over a $1M a year. That business itself also has substantial costs to run that become additional deductions. In summary, the multifamily is taxed as capital gains, but my deductions come from elsewhere.
Post: If you had $1M, how would you invest it?

- Investor
- Reseda, CA
- Posts 258
- Votes 137
Quote from @Joe S.:
Quote from @Austin Fowler:
In my own case, I'll be putting the $1M in Crossing 5 from BAM capital. That's what I actually plan to do IRL. This is just the latest deal due diligence has been completed on, I've got no financial connection to the project. I like ground up multifamily development, and participating in such projects as an LP. Love addressing housing shortages. This will take me from 2200+ doors to 2500+ doors as an LP.
Can you expound on that a bit more, please?
Sure, happy to elaborate. I currently have a $31M portfolio spanning cash, stocks, renewable energy, 33 houses, 7 flips in progress, and an LP stake in 2200 doors of multifamily. LP is short for limited partner, and just means you contribute capital to a big deal managed by general partners (GPs). Being an LP in a multifamily deal means you are totally hands-off. You do the due diligence on the GPs (the operators of the deal) and the deal itself, choose the best operators with the best deals, and then you wire money into their deal. There are many, many different ways to invest in multifamily. My personal preference is development since I like being part of the process of increasing housing supply. As with anything in real estate, you do best when you find something you really enjoy. I *really* enjoy participating in building things. My current multifamily portfolio spans 15 addresses across 8 states, and 8 different operators. The multifamily properties range from just 32 units to 330 units. Each unit is a door. The next deal (Crossing 5 from BAM capital) that I'll add to my portfolio will be a mix of multifamily apartments, townhomes, fully serviced with pickleball courts, community center, etc, etc --- an entire community totaling 315 doors. The general parameters in multifamily development are frequently approximately four years to take dirt, build a community, lease it out, and sell it to a pension fund. The finished product is viewed by the pension fund a bit like a bond. If 5% income generated on capital (plus depreciation tax benefits and asset appreciation as rents grow) is deemed acceptable then a building generating $10 million of net operating income (NOI) each year would be worth $200 million. A typical development deal at the moment tries to build a building at a cost such that net operating income is around 7% of the total build cost. In other words built for significantly less than it can be sold for. Using the above numbers you would need to complete the building using under $143M to hit 7% NOI. In my case as an investor I generate massive cash flow by getting involved in a series of development deals: wire money in, four years later get more money back with the upside taxed as long-term capital gains, and the tax due only if I haven't generated sufficient deductions in prior years from other assets, and generally speaking I have more deductions than I need to zero out my income on paper each year. It's a conveyor belt of deals rather than holding assets long term for cash flow. Each development typically targets doubling the money you put in over those 4 years. Putting $1M into a single deal may seem like a lot, but it is less than 5% of my total portfolio, so it is an appropriate addition to it, and it will bring my total doors as an LP to over 2500. I currently have approximately $8M total invested in multifamily. Happy to connect with anyone that wants to learn more.
Post: If you had $1M, how would you invest it?

- Investor
- Reseda, CA
- Posts 258
- Votes 137
In my own case, I'll be putting the $1M in Crossing 5 from BAM capital. That's what I actually plan to do IRL. This is just the latest deal due diligence has been completed on, I've got no financial connection to the project. I like ground up multifamily development, and participating in such projects as an LP. Love addressing housing shortages. This will take me from 2200+ doors to 2500+ doors as an LP.