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All Forum Posts by: Aubrey Ford

Aubrey Ford has started 18 posts and replied 49 times.

Post: 60 day notice and eviction

Aubrey FordPosted
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  • Atlanta
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I have two properties that I bought that have month to month tenants in place.  Sent the 60 day notice on June 30th notifying of rent increase and the need to sign new 12 month lease agreements before August 31 or vacate by then.  Now both tenants have failed to pay any rent in July. I think I will have to evict. I think it’s best to wait till sept 1 and evict under the 60 day notice instead of failure to pay rent.

What advice does the experts have in terms of getting the rent owed? A separate suit for monies owed? Add it to the eviction process or am I simply out of luck once they vacate to ever get the past rent?

Post: Best options for smaller loan amounts

Aubrey FordPosted
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  • Atlanta
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Thank you for the reply, I will do that. 

Post: Best options for smaller loan amounts

Aubrey FordPosted
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I am a new REI and I just bought my first two properties and am looking to expand.

I have two SFR worth 70k each, my first deal. I was able to get a hard money loan for the combo deal of the two properties. but I can't seem to find funding to refinance these as the loan amounts are too small for many loan products. Suggestions?

Post: Closing costs are way higher than the calculator suggested

Aubrey FordPosted
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Quote from @Wayne Brooks:

@Aubrey Ford One of the issues is that these are Low priced properties. If a title search, closing/settlement fees, recording and other “fixed” fees are $1500….that’s what they are for Any priced property. Plus of course you have lender’s title insurance. A major portion of “closing costs” are for 15 mo.s or so of insurance and property taxes for escrow. These are not really “additional costs”….they are advance payments of what you have to pay in the future.

Anyway, now you know what the real cash to close cost is.

 @Wayne Brooks I think besides not accurately calculating the closing costs, I compounded my error by trying to do a combo deal of two low priced properties. Where I may be able to absorb the increased initial outlay on one. I'm paying that increased costs twice, as its two loans... that is way more expensive than if I just bought a single property at $125k.  lesson learned... 

Post: Closing costs are way higher than the calculator suggested

Aubrey FordPosted
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  • Atlanta
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I’m new and learning.  I was able to find what I thought was a good deal. Two property package 60k/65k.  When I ran the calculator the numbers looked good. More than 8% COCROI and each cash flowing more than $100 a month.  Problem is the closing costs came back over $8k for each loan. I was using the suggested 2% for closing costs per the calculator.  I realize they are estimates but I never thought actual closing costs would be 13-15% of the purchase price.   It is making the deal unworkable  as I don’t have enough liquid to cover both properties. And the numbers are below 3% now and less than $50 cash flow each.  Now I am in crunch time to get creative or lose the deal..  thoughts? 

Quote from @Randall Alan:

@Aubrey Ford

Your challenge is that this is a very small loan (compared to a more typical loan size of $100-300k).  On smaller loans there isn't as much profit in them, so lenders and brokers may charge more to make it worth their while to write the loan for you.  

Traditional lending for investment properties in my area was in the 7% range last time I checked.  Hard money was in the 10-11% range.  You don't say what type of lender you are getting this quote from ... so it's a bit hard to tell how great / bad it is.  For a hard money lender it looks about right... and the rate actually looks low.   A couple of points would not be unusual in todays market for a traditional lender as well.  Keep in mind that 4.5 points is $2,340... whereas on a $200,000 loan it would be $9,000.  I know that's sort of obvious.. but the point is that on such a small loan the fee as a dollar amount doesn't look so out of proportion.  Also, your FICO score, while descent, isn't 'outstanding'... so you are probably taking a little bit of a hit there as well.   

I guess it depends on how they are breaking up their other fees.  If they are then stacking on a processing fee, a document prep fee, etc I would go back and press back on them that the points look high given the profit they are adding in the other places.  Many of these things are open to negotiation if they think they are going to lose the deal.  But my guess is that they will counter with the size of the loan warrants the extra expense given the low profit margin.  You can always shop the loan at a couple of different places and see who comes out on top.

Wish you the best!

Randy

 @Randall Alan Thanks for insight!. The loan is not hard money, its a standard conventional based on my W-2. one of the reasons the numbers were shocking. I had a prelim rate check with a different lender that was putting me at a 7.125% but they could not meet the close date requested by the seller. So I went to this broker instead figuring the rates woudl be at least comparable... Boy was I wrong LOL. Guess my newness is showing.. 

Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Aubrey Ford:

Trying to do my first deal and I just recieved a loan disclosure that breaks my deal. With a 714 FICO, 20% down on a $65k purchase they are quoting   a rate of  8.5% , adding 4.5 loan points, and a total of $8,825 in closing costs. All this for a $52,000 loan?  I didnt expect greatness in these times but it feels like these numbers are crazy. Any thoughts from the community on these numbers? 

 @Aubrey Ford  Small loans are expensive for a couple of reasons. The first is the a good portion of closing costs are the same on a 65k purchase as they are on a 650k purchase.  So, a maybe  800 underwriting fee for example cost as a % of the loan is a lot bigger on a 65k loan then on a 650k loan. But, even more importantly most lenders have what are called "adjusters" the smaller the loan is which drives up either the rate or the costs, and in a lot of cases both of those. The economics on funded small loans is just not good for lenders meaning they do not make enough money to justify the costs of funding the loan.  

That all being said your numbers look pretty out of the market assuming you are trying to go full documentation meaning you are qualifying with your W-2 income etc.  The first thing I would do if I was your LO would be to advise you to put down 25% instead of 20%. You would get a better rate AND likely drop your 4.5% points at least 2 points.  So, that would just require 3% more dollars out of your pocket with all 5% going to equity as compared to 2% just going to fees with 20% down. 

 @Jay Hurst Thanks for the feedback. Agree that the smaller loans tend to be more expensive, which I did expect. Was just a bit of shock to see how much. Thank you for the idea of 25% i makes way more sense. If I'm going to pay all that, better it go to principal, lower the rate, points, payments,  rather than fees that do not benefit me... 

Trying to do my first deal and I just recieved a loan disclosure that breaks my deal. With a 714 FICO, 20% down on a $65k purchase they are quoting   a rate of  8.5% , adding 4.5 loan points, and a total of $8,825 in closing costs. All this for a $52,000 loan?  I didnt expect greatness in these times but it feels like these numbers are crazy. Any thoughts from the community on these numbers? 

I am new to REI, but I work in IT and I can attest the increased need for good data centers. Add to this the sharp uptick in the work from home people. That increased WFH employee population requires a lot of new centralized infrastructure within data centers to support.