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All Forum Posts by: Ramon Pena Alvarado

Ramon Pena Alvarado has started 10 posts and replied 26 times.

Post: 193 unit - Feedback

Ramon Pena AlvaradoPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Will and Mike...
Thanks...I quess thats why I like comming here and reading these posts. Learning...seeing a different way..Learning. You guys and others that have taken time to give of thier wisdom..must be applauded.
Old school...Im old....Haa
So many lucky people started careers in multi fam at a very young age. Good for them. I had to raise a fam first.
Anyway..This deal is on the backburner only because I know for a fact that there are BETTER and easier deals out there to be had.
Thanks again....
Ray..

Post: 193 unit - Feedback

Ramon Pena AlvaradoPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Well fellas I’m old school. I learned from the formula below and I’m not up on the 50/2% rule but I’m eager to learn.
I want to thank you for your helping me see a new way. I know where I have been formulating wrong now.
This project is not good, for me anyway. I’ve tried many different scenarios and I can’t make it work.
Thanks again.

Gross Scheduled Income - Represents the sum of all annual rents as if the units were 100% occupied.
Effective Gross Income – Represents the vacancy and credit loss and deduct it from the gross scheduled income.
Gross Operating Income - Represents income generated from other sources (if any) such as laundry income, storage, parking etc…

A. INCOME

TOTAL RENTS X 12 = ______________________(GSI - Fully occupied total rental income)
GROSS SHEDULED INCOME
MINUS VACANCIES=________________EGI (actual, if less than full) – If full use min. 5%
EFFECTIVE GROSS INCOME
ADD____________________________________(laundry, storage, parking and vending income).

TOTAL INCOME (GOI )______________________________________________________
GROSS OPERATING INCOME

MINUS TOTAL EXPENSES __________________________________________________

NOI _______________________________________________________________________
NET OPERATING INCOME

NOI divided by .09 = VALUE

B. EXPENSES

DO NOT INCLUDE depreciation, amortization, interest expense or capital expenditures. Only include actual operating expenses
Based on a fully rented property, the seller's expenses must include a minimum 5% for Management. It doesn't matter if the seller says he operates the property at no charge. This minimum 5% must be included. Example: A fully rented property brings in a G.O.I. (Gross Operating Income) annually of $220,000 [See A4 above]. Allowing 5% for management is $11,000. The seller does not list management expense at all, so you must add $11,000 as an expense. If he shows $13,000 for management, then use his higher $13,000 number. If he shows only $7,000 for management, then add in $4,000 ( $11,000 less $7,000) to bring it up to a minimum 5%
Based on a fully rented property, the seller's expenses must include a minimum 5% for Repairs and Maintenance It doesn't matter if the seller says he operates the property at no charge. This minimum 5% must be included. Example: A fully rented property brings in a G.O.I. (Gross Operating Income) annually of $220,000 [See A4 above].. Allowing 5% for Repairs and Maintenance is $11,000. The seller does not list Repairs and Maintenance expense at all, so you must add $11,000 as an expense. If he shows $13,000 for Repairs and Maintenance, then use his higher $13,000 number. If he shows only $7,000 for Repairs and Maintenance, then add in $4,000 ( $11,000 less $7,000) showing it as a reserve of $4,000to bring it up to a minimum of 5%
Other common expense categories (based on an apartment building-will vary for other income property) Real Estate Taxes, Water and Sewer, Common area utilities, Insurance, Legal and Accounting, Advertising, Telephone, Licenses, Heat (if owner pays), Electricity (if owner pays), Cable TV, Supplies, Elevator expense, Pest control.
1. Adding all of the above expenses results in TOTAL EXPENSE
2. Total Income less Total Expense equals (N.O.I.) Net Operating Income

An example of a property valuation calculation using the Net Operating Income (N.O.I.) approach
1. Total Gross Operating Income is $220,000.
2. Total expenses are $70,000.
3. Therefore the N.O.I. is $150,000.
4. If an apartment building, divide $150,000 by .09 (9 cap) which gives a value of $1,666,666.
5. If another type of income property, divide $150,000 by .10 (10 cap) which give a value of $1,500,000.
6. Use the above valuation, less 5% to 10% as your opening offer. The above valuations will be your "target" or the maximum amount you will pay for the property. You may make an occasional exception to these calculation rules, but remember to never make the exception the rule. Sticking to the above calculation rules will mean you will rule out some properties; but also remember that if you pay too much you will not be able to get sufficient financing anyway. Most properties eliminated by the N.O.I. valuation rules usually are not priced right for an informed buyer. They are priced right for the seller and his Realtor.

TOTAL RENTS X 12 = $1,038,636_________(GSI - Fully occupied total rental income)
GROSS SHEDULED INCOME
MINUS VACANCIES = ($135,000) $903,613 EGI If full use min. 5%
EFFECTIVE GROSS INCOME
ADD___$14,497___________________________(laundry, storage, parking and vending income).

TOTAL INCOME (GOI )___$918,110_____________________________________
GROSS OPERATING INCOME

MINUS TOTAL EXPENSES $472,019____________________________________

NOI ___________$446,091___________________________________________________
NET OPERATING INCOME

NOI divided by .09 = VALUE
$446,091 DIVIDED BY .09 = $4,956,566
USING LISTING NOI - $4,680,933

ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE - $343,697

DEBT SERVICE RATIO - 1.14

We’ll move on to the next one… :D

Post: 193 unit - Feedback

Ramon Pena AlvaradoPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Hello Mr I, Ralph, & Jon…
I appreciate your input on this property. The following should help us understand the seller’s motivation. Not that I or anyone would agree.

EXPENSES :
Annualized Expenses 2008 - $472,019
* (Includes $125,875 of capital)
Total Expenses $472,019
NOI: $421,284
Expenses/ft $2.67
Note: Laundry/Misc Income is: $14,497

NUMBER OF UNITS: 193
LOAN:EQUITY % OF PRICE: 100.00% EQUITY: $4,190,900

LAND (ACRES): 4.29 PRICE/UNIT: $21,715
SQ FT OF UNITS: 176,848 PRICE/SQ FT OF BLDG: $23.70
LOAN CONSTANT: 6.30 OPERATING COSTS: $2.67

Valuation based on the Income Approach *Actuals
Stabilized NOI: $408,373
Capped at 8 5% $4,804,384
Less rehab @ $1,500/unit $289,500
Less entrepreneurial profit @ $750/unit $144,750
Less carry to stabilization $30,000
Value based on the Income Approach: $4,340,134
Average of the Sales Comp and the Income Approach is: $4,471,321

COLLECTION HISTORY
Jan 2008 – $74,317
Feb 2008 - $75,503
March 2008 - $74,671
April 2008 – $73,875
May 2008 - $74,232
June 2008 - $74,882
July 2008 - $75,087
August 2008 - $74,470
Sept 2008 - $73,386
Oct 2008 - $74,667
Nov 2008 – $74,703
Dec 2008 - $73,510

Please advise..
Ray

Post: 193 unit - Feedback

Ramon Pena AlvaradoPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Good evening...
Well…I believe this property is worth taking a second look .
Property has undergone rehab but still could use upgrading. Blue collar profile and working class property. 3 story garden style.
I’m relying on sellers OE being accurate. We all know how that goes.
Good Demographics.
Upside potential.
Occupancy – 87%
193 units
Rents are low.
1 bed @ 52% ( $393.00 )
2 bed @ 48 % ( $515.00 )
3 bed @ none
PRICE – $ 4,190,900

2008
Effective gross income - $ 893,304
Operating expenses - $ 472,000
Net operating income - $ 421,200
Cap rate 10.05 %
Please give me some feedback. What do you see here?
Ray..
:wink:

Post: Master Lease

Ramon Pena AlvaradoPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Thank you all for the great information.
Trully appreciated.

Post: Credit Repair

Ramon Pena AlvaradoPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Well...Does credit repair work or not...?
Im reading a lot of maybe's - ifs- and Umms ..please say it straight...Does it work ..or not. If so....whos the best in the Biz? Thanks...
Ray

Post: exchange sites

Ramon Pena AlvaradoPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

thanks tom...

Post: Kino Bay in Sonora, Mexico

Ramon Pena AlvaradoPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Has anyone heard of or had dealings with or In Kino Bay...In Mexico??
Ive heard really positive things about Kino bay. Its almost like its to good to be true. Please advise.
Ray :cool:

Post: REO wholesaling

Ramon Pena AlvaradoPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Thanks Jon
I guess we just have to really be careful to inspect OURSELVES and decide whether to go ahead with the deal...before the official inspection...thanks again Jon.
Ray..

Post: REO wholesaling

Ramon Pena AlvaradoPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Hello
When making an offer on a REO with the intention of wholesaling, is the ernest money check ever cashed and is the time alloted for your sale to another investor the 21 days till your inspection? After the inspection date I believe you are obligated to purchase the property. ( Or could lose your EM ).
Im sure the 21 days is totally sufficient if the property is a WINNER.
If your intent is to go ahead with the purchase how do you get around the inspection fee...another words do investors as a regular practice PAY an inspector to inspect the property even though its not really yours yet ...and may never be??
Straighten me out please...Thanks... :cool:
Ray