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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 18 posts and replied 1514 times.

Post: An Investor Killed!!!!!!!!

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Poverty is everywhere but the level of violence in America is far and away greater than any other developed economy. Yes, personal responsibility has a role but a society that is designed to keep people on the edge and a government that fails to provide the very basics of safety, health, education and transport in many neighborhoods is a larger factor. And lets not even start the topic about the insane gun culture. Even slums in Mumbai are far safer than your average inner city neighborhood in Detroit or Baltimore.

Post: Anyone do Grant Cardone Success System?

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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Travis Andres

What do you get for $1000 that is not on BP or YouTube?

A real estate success program seems like a high level sales ploy to get you to buy a more specific program

Let me save you $1000 and tell you like any business it comes down to following a set of procedures, due diligence and the effort to stick with it as it doesn’t happen overnight and you should constantly be learning and networking


 You probably get a high pressure pitch for the $30K super deluxe personalized coaching package..:-) 

Post: How to invest 500k and maybe retire

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You have encountered the biggest barrier to retirement..MATH. Generating 120K per year out of $500K is a return of 24%. You would need that year in and year out and that doesn't even account for inflation. Not to mention taxes. Consistent 24% returns are rainbow colored unicorns. Leveraged RE will not help you because your actual interest rate (7%) is higher than your expected yield (about 6% or less). Thus leverage is negative. Truth is you need 20X your desired annual income as a minimum to retire. No matter where you actually put your money. $120K requires about $2.4M. The good news is that with an income of $240K at age 38 you can get there pretty fast. Just save consistently (maybe not in crypto) and conservatively in either index funds or rentals and you will get there. Boring I know, but it actually works.

Post: Questions about buying RE with all cash

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Quote from @Zachary Bush:

Hello everyone. I am looking to connect with another member (preferably in the midwest) who is buying SFH or MFH with all cash. I am looking to get involved with investing as a second career when I retire from my W2 in 5-10 years. I am in the position to be able to buy a few properties with all cash and I was wanting to connect with someone who uses this "all cash" strategy. I realize most people here do not buy their RE properties with all cash, but I am wanting to ask some general questions and learn from anyone here who follows this method of investing. Thank you.


Zach


 I have bought properties all cash. There is nothing wrong with it. The one thing I did learn was that banks do a fair amount of the due diligence for you. If you are paying cash you need to be more careful with the due diligence portion. Dont skimp on good title insurance also. Also make sure you have some good umbrella coverage as the full value of the asset is in your name.

Post: 2023 Market activity = almost equal to 2022 market equity

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Until there's and index fund that allows you to buy the whole housing market, this discussion is pointless. To use a popular buzzword, real estate is hyperlocal. National averages mean little to nothing at all.

Post: How should I view debt?

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Quote from @Daisja Vance:

Hello, amazing community!! So I have a question and I want the most blunt response, when starting out with investments how do I look at debt? I have started getting into business credit and I've been told when getting funds for any investment don't be scared of the debt, that all business owners have debt, and" the richest people are in debt" well as crazy as it initially sounded to me I've pondered on what to take from it. I honestly thought about the USA and how we have this great economy overall in history yet have just about the hugest debt as well right? So are the richest people in debt? I've warped my cerebrum trying to grasp the logic so how does it work for you guys? Has anyone started on just loans and if so would you mind sharing which kinds of loans and were they business loans? Leaping into this so excited to learn new things I have become consumed by questions I just enjoy seeing it from other perspectives if anybody has time to share theirs Im beyond thrilled to read.


 The simplest way to view debt is through the dual lens of risk and opportunity. Assuming we are not talking about stupid consumer debt (always bad) and talking about debt that may hopefully generate income or returns. Debt is opportunity because it may allow you to generate returns or income beyond what your cash allows. But there is equal measure of risk meaning you can lose more than your cash can allow also. Where you choose to land in that equation is up to you. But most people way overestimate opportunity and underestimate risk. Do not compare yourself to large corporations or government. Those are a different things altogether. The government lives forever and can increase their income at will by raising taxes. Big corporations play with OPM (shareholders and bond holders) and those taking the risk are fully insulated from any losses. You as an individual or small business owner are not.

Post: URGENT Keep renting or sell!

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Your real return is not just 4.5%. You have to add in at least the principal pay down amount. Now lets say you sell and buy another property as an investment. You have closing costs on both the buying and selling ends. This offsets a good part of the tax benefit. Then you are giving up 30 years of 4.5% money. And replacing it by 7% (at least for now) money on an investment property. So your forward cash flows will be significantly less. Does all that make up for $30K or so of tax savings today? This is assuming you want to to continue being a landlord. If that's not the plan, just go ahead and sell now.

Post: The Cash Flow Trap

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Quote from @Matthew Irish-Jones:

If you are just starting out I suggest you don't fall into the cash flow trap. 

What is the cash flow trap?  It starts with a picture of a guy with abs on a beach sipping a light beer next to a beautiful woman.  Then a caption about how he is living off of "cash flow."  It ends with you borrowing money from your parents. 

How does this happen? You get sucked into a dream that you can take $100,000 and keep rolling it over until you have $200,000 of passive income per year and you are on the beach.  

How to avoid all of this? 

1. Remove the dream of retiring on cash flow from your mind -   Real Estate investing takes lots of hard work, if you don't do the work, you are paying contractors, property managers and handymen do do the work, and they are taking a piece of your cash flow for their time.  Its a long term wealth building strategy, not a short term job replacement strategy. 


2. Value Real Estate in the following order.  a) Location b) Asset Condition c) Returns.  Most new investors disregard the most important aspect of Real Estate... location and start walking through places that look like S*it, smell like SH*t, and will most likely have returns like Sh*t, but their spreadsheet says otherwise.   If the location is crap, and the asset condition is crap, your bill is coming due eventually.  When it does, you can burn your spreadsheet. 

3. Chase consistent and reliable returns, not HIGH returns.  High returns = high risk. Life is short and your life will be shorter chasing sky high returns.  They exist, but not for brand new investors.   You are going to start at the bottom.  When you start at the bottom a 6% return for a nice double with a new roof, and updated mechanics is a win.  As rents go up your nice, conservative double is going to be a 7,8,9 and eventually some day a 10% return.   

4. Seriously consider the risk  -  Risk can be geographic.  Risk can be based on the asset itself.  Does it have lead paint on the windows, asbestos wrapped radiator?  These things increase risk, and if you don't know how to quantify that, you will take on too much risk for too little of a reward.  There is also a lot of risk in rehabs, especially if it is your first one.  Do you understand permits, asbestos tests, lead tests, building inspections, sub contractor insurance, GC insurance, hold harmless agreements, and the rest?  If not, you are once again not properly accounting for the risk involved.  

If I could do it all over again, I would have bought much better properties in much better condition, in much better areas from the start.   


 Outstanding post. I fell into that mindset back in 2012 when I bought several C class properties in Indianapolis. Luckily the timing was perfect and I made decent money on them but I sold them all just before Covid because they were in the end ****** quality assets that I just got lucky with timing. I would have done far better buying better assets with lower cash flow on paper. I also had a couple of Bay Area properties with rent ratios less than 0.3% based on current value but provide consistent reliable cash flow month in and month out and also have large equity values.

Post: Quote from maintenance company - are they trying to rip me off??

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There are two issues, the scope of work and the cost to do it. In my experience most PMs highly over specify the scope. Of course it makes it easier to get a tenant and their job easier. But you can push back on the scope. You can tell them to leave out the floor, do only touch up paint, etc and reduce the scope to something basic needed to rent the place. This of course depends on your market. If you have a luxury rental, it won't work. But for a lower B or C class rental no point doing all this so the next tenant can mess it up again. As for the cost itself, its hard to push back. You can get your own contractor to come give a bid for comparison but that will piss of your PM (even though it shouldn't)

Post: What is your Favorite Lifestyle Investment

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Lifestyles can be rented. A couple of months ago my childhood best buddies and I rented a 7000 sq foot villa with 3 pools, an elevator, and a full time staff of 5 including a chef, driver, house manager and housekeepers with amazing ocean views in Phuket Thailand for less than $1000 per night. I can easily do this a few times per year at different locations. Why buy?