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All Forum Posts by: Pat P.

Pat P. has started 3 posts and replied 31 times.

Post: Handling late fee notifications

Pat P.Posted
  • Flat Rock, Mi
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 8

In the 7 years we have had rental properties, I have learned that seldom does the 1st of the month work for tenants.  We are in a position to adapt.  The second rent is due 30 days from the signing of the lease, whatever that date is.  I offer to change the date to any date they choose and amend the lease and due date accordingly.IE :  If they choose to change the date from the 15th to the 18th, then the third rent due is for 33 days of rent. This also extends the end of the lease by three days in this example. I do this free one time - if they wish to have it done again before the end of the lease, I charge them $50 for doing the paperwork.  None of my tenants pay on the first.   If it makes it easier for them, it makes it better for us.  For us this is working and they really appreciate not being stuck with it being due on the 1st of the month. I only do this with 30 days notice ahead of time, to make sure it is not compensating for a late payment as one tenant tried to do - there is always one of the :)

Post: Tenant hasn't paid late rent fee

Pat P.Posted
  • Flat Rock, Mi
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Sam Leon:
Originally posted by @Jeff Rabinowitz:

@Sam Leon, you are certainly within your rights to do this but it may cost you some good tenants.  If someone did this to me for a minor offense I would be looking for a new place immediately.  My lease is actually worded as you suggest but I have never applied it as you suggest. 

It is rare for me to file for eviction and even rarer for me to apply multiple layers of charges.  (I have many 3-5 year tenants.  They do not usually move because of disputes with me but because their life situations change.) In court, I have had judges uphold most of the fees I have in the lease but they often modify my charges when I apply multiple fees.  i.e. if I apply a tenant holdover fee and a late rent fee they will usually give me one but not the other.  Granted, I live in a very tenant friendly State but I suspect many judges would frown upon turning a large late fee into an enormous late fee.

 I think many of us apply rules on a case by case basis.

My lease is worded very strict, and I explain that in person to the tenant prior to them signing the lease that rules are rules and I take no pleasure in posting a notice of evict so best to avoid putting themselves in that situation.

When a new tenant is late I will let it go and send a reminder.  A second time, I will apply a late fee, and if they do not pay the late fee, I will keep sending them invoices each month for the outstanding rent.  Will I go ahead and evict?  That depends.  There comes a point I believe you no longer wish to keep the tenant.

First, I don't believe someone who can afford say $1800, $2500 a month of rent is going to structure to pay $100 of late fee.  It's not a money issue but more of a  **** this rule attitude.  I do not like to send emails, texts, letters chasing and reminding people for rent, and certainly do not appreciate their attempt to test me to see if I would enforce my lease or not.

Last year one of my tenant broke a window. Didn't tell me but I found out when changing out an AC filter.  Told me her daughter broke it.  I told him he can fix it if it's cheaper for him (which is a courtesy to him), after several months no action, I had to hire someone to go fix it - my time, my money, and charged him the cost I paid which was $150.  He refused to pay, said it shouldn't have been more than $50 to replace a piece of glass.  That was 4 months prior to his lease being up.  I debated to get rid of him for $150, he was given a chance to fix it himself, he didn't, I had to fix it, and sent him the invoice I paid.  Up till that point he had two late rent occurrences which I ignored, which later I regret, because I believe my not enforcing the late payment lead indirectly to his tardiness to fix the window and refusal to pay for the repair.  I didn't evict him because it was not too far from his lease being up.  As predicted, the next few months he were late almost every month.  Sometimes a few days, one time I took an oversea trip to London and he was 18 days past due before I sent him a reminder.  I believe if I had enforced the late fees earlier it would not have escalated.

I just didn't ask him to renew, when it's 30 days from lease expiration I put a FOR RENT sign in the yard.  He called immediately and asked to renew.  I said no, it's not working out, he has been late, he didn't pay for the window repair, I don't have time to deal with this.  He then asked for a conversion to month to month, I asked him how long would it take him to find a new place, he said 4 months.  I said OK, I will do a renewal with him for 4 months, on the following conditions.  First, he would pay all late fees and damages; Second, the rent would be raised 20%; Third, the security deposit needs to be raised to the same as new rent;  Forth, I don't have time to chase after him for late rent, so I want all four rent checks signed and paid up front at lease signing, dated for the first of each month.  He agreed and we did a renewal, and end up parting ways 4 months later without any hassle.

 I am not so sure that I would have agreed to give him the option for a month to month after his lease was up but your conditions have opened up my mind for future negotiations.  Living in Michigan, a large part of the agreement for me would be the timing of the year.  The srping and summer are much easier for better selection of tenants then during the winter.  Families would rather move during this time.  But thank you for broadening my horizons.

Patricia

Post: Chicago - Collecting Rent

Pat P.Posted
  • Flat Rock, Mi
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 8

It is their responsibility to get the rent to you - revert to your lease.  Mine are deposited in my account on the due date - if there is a weekend or Holiday issue, they need to plan in advance.  This has worked well.  I do not pick up rents anymore.

Post: Lease wording question about due/late date

Pat P.Posted
  • Flat Rock, Mi
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 8

Our present lease states three days grace before considered late.  $25 late fee on the 4th, and $20 each day late after the fith of  the month.  I may change this next leases.  I also do not differeniate between business days and non business days - they are all the same to me..  I may do away with the grace periods - tenants take too much advantage of them.

I also offered all tenants a discount of $25 a month for a two year lease 0- they all agreed.  I do not think I wil do that againn.  A two year lease might guarantee no price increase during that time - that should be discount enough.

Post: Renting Out Condos

Pat P.Posted
  • Flat Rock, Mi
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 8

The protection for this is trying to gain a board seat to assure decisions are fair for all owners, regardless if they rent their units or occupy them. Also attend all HOA meetings if possible.

Post: Late Fees

Pat P.Posted
  • Flat Rock, Mi
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 8

How are you all addressing them?? I know each state is a little different.  We are in Michigan and there are so many thoughts on this.  Some landlords love the late fees - I would be happiest if the rents were always on time,  Can a certain amount of lates on a lease period void the lease??

Then I miss out on seeingtheir vehicles and seeing how they are kept - a good clue as to how your property will be taken care of.

Post: Renting Out Condos

Pat P.Posted
  • Flat Rock, Mi
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 8

We own three rental condos the last five years who have been producing quite well. I got onto the HOA board as soon as I could to be on top of all issues. Know all of your numbers - one of the associations charges an 20% increase in HOA's if you rent your unit. Some HOA's have a cap on the % that can be rented. I never have to worry about snow removal, lawn cutting and outside maintenance outside of the walls. Being seniors, that was important to us. If possible, get ahold of the bi-laws for the HOA and read before buying. Our next purchase I believe will be another condo, but not in the association where the extra 20% is charged. I was not aware nof this when we purchased this fiirst one.

Tenants love that they do not have much outside maintneance at all. Many both spouses work and time is so important. They are suprised and pleased when comparing to SFH !

Maintenance fees is the monthly amount you pay - assessments are for large expenditures such as road work or roofing.  Check to see what assessments are coming up in the futre before purchasing.

Thank you Jon - getting plenty of calls and lookers and rent is in the ball park being $850 - just looking for a good tenants - they seem fewer and farther between then usual - I might have one as of today if everything checks out good - I was wondering the length of time most landlords take to turn a unit over..

Yes, what is the normal length, and what should you target for - six weeks is too long in my book unless there is some major work going on,,, What are you thoughts please???