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All Forum Posts by: Andrew Jordan

Andrew Jordan has started 2 posts and replied 47 times.

Post: Drugs found in duplex. What to do?

Andrew JordanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 21

did you see him do the drugs?  How do we know they are or aren't his?   You are quick to the trigger.  That's not "tough love"...that's jumping to conclusions.  

I agree - you're the landlord.  Do whatever it is you see fit. 

My only point I continually try and express to you and the only point you continuously ignore is getting you to understand there are two sides to every story.   

in my first example with the car seat - l was trying to open the idea that yes, in fact, you did nothing wrong.  the point being - someone else decided you did, in fact, do something wrong.  

But you blatantly ignored this point only getting caught up in the details of my fictitious story to point out how my story was a bad example (which I stated it was).   

At this point, my only suggestion is that you lay off your daily dose of COPS and open your eyes to the real world.  Not everything you see on tv is real.   Also, a little compassion for someone goes a long way.    

to be clear - I am not disagreeing that drugs are bad nor did I ever state I would be ok with them.  I suppose we just do business differently and our compassion meters are on different charts.  My style would be to go out of my way to find out the root of his issue and attempt to help him out of that situation.  Maybe nobody has ever done that for him?  Maybe he would be grateful for that? 

Post: Drugs found in duplex. What to do?

Andrew JordanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 21
Originally posted by @Kimberly T.:
Originally posted by @Andrew Jordan:

@Kimberly T. - I kind of (have to) agree with @Account Closed here.

Also, assuming the tennant is "using/selling meth", "shoot up his building dealing drugs", or "ODs on something in the unit and no one notices until they smell the decomp" is unfair.

It would be like you renting a place...your landlord walks in and sees your 6 mo old baby strapped to a carrier while you are outside getting the carseat ready.  Landlord doesn't see you but sees the baby, ALONE, inside without your supervision.  You see your landlord and tell him you were just around the corner, for 5 minutes, getting the car ready. Unfortunately, he decides you're lying to him, calls CPS, police, etc, and accuses you of child abuse.  Keep in mind, you've never made a late payment, had trouble at your place, had any complaints, or created damage of any kind. 

Not the best analogy, but hopefully you get the idea...

Again, I'm not defending said tennant.  I just believe he should have a chance to explain himself before letting any emotions come into a business decision.  Anyhow, Im just interested in thinking creatively in any situation.  There's always a great solution to any dilemma.

You're right, it's not the best analogy.  In fact, it's not an appropriate analogy at all.  There's nothing illegal with leaving your baby in a carrier while preping the car seat.  It IS, however, completely illegal to possess illegal drugs.  You think tenants don't get in fights in their homes or OD on drugs at their homes?  You have never watched an episode of COPS.  Our PM in AZ had a tenant in another landlord's property die with a needle in his arm.  No one knew it until the downstairs tenant complained about the smell... a week later.  That landlord learned a valuable lesson in having better screening criteria.

But, if you guys want to have tenants who will (not "may", WILL) be having less than savory characters at your complex, not respecting your property, and possibly putting your property and other tenants in danger, then that's your choice.  Leaves more good tenants for me. :)

Edit to add: most leases state that illegal behavior is prohibited on the premises.  There's a reason people have put that in leases - it's because illegal behavior on the premises never turns out good for the landlord.  At best, it's neutral for the landlord, but that's not often.

Well, you completely ignored my point, which I half expected.  

You are right, and you validated my point even more.  Thank you!  Your tenant says: "there's nothing wrong here.  I pay you every month on time.  I treat this place as it was my own.  There is no damage and has never been.  Ive had a great business relationship with you.  I am respectful of you and your property...oh, and here is my wife and daughter.  Very nice to meet you."

But you disregard all of that and tell him:

"It IS, however, completely illegal to possess illegal drugs. You think you won't get in fights in your home or OD on drugs at your home? You have never watched an episode of COPS. Our PM in AZ had a tenant in another landlord's property die with a needle in his arm. No one knew it until the downstairs tenant complained about the smell... a week later. That landlord learned a valuable lesson in having better screening criteria.

But, you will (not "may", WILL) be having less than savory characters at your complex, not respecting your property, and possibly putting your property and other tenants in danger, and that leaves more good tenants for me. :)

Most leases state that illegal behavior is prohibited on the premises. There's a reason people have put that in leases - it's because illegal behavior on the premises never turns out good for the landlord. At best, it's neutral for the landlord, but that's not often."

Then you call the cops on him, get him arrested, and ruin whatever is left of his dignity as a father.  You also evict him while all that is happening for him so he now has no place to live temporarily.  

Other than the small amount of drugs found inside his dwelling, he's been pretty responsible in all regards to your business relationship.  You might say, that's statistically relevant.  Like maybe it's worth a sit down meeting with him first?

Post: New Member and new investor - Austin, TX

Andrew JordanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 21

Welcome to BP @John Leyendecker !

This place is packed with info.  @Brandon Turner beat me to it... ^^ (best resources).

What part of Austin are you from?

Post: Renting To Students

Andrew JordanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 21

great information here.  I have been exploring the pros/cons of purchasing a multi to possible rent out to students (I live near UT in Austin).  Thanks for everyone's input, indirectly.  :)

Post: Drugs found in duplex. What to do?

Andrew JordanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 21

@Kimberly T. - I kind of (have to) agree with @Account Closed here.

Also, assuming the tennant is "using/selling meth", "shoot up his building dealing drugs", or "ODs on something in the unit and no one notices until they smell the decomp" is unfair.

It would be like you renting a place...your landlord walks in and sees your 6 mo old baby strapped to a carrier while you are outside getting the carseat ready.  Landlord doesn't see you but sees the baby, ALONE, inside without your supervision.  You see your landlord and tell him you were just around the corner, for 5 minutes, getting the car ready. Unfortunately, he decides you're lying to him, calls CPS, police, etc, and accuses you of child abuse.  Keep in mind, you've never made a late payment, had trouble at your place, had any complaints, or created damage of any kind. 

Not the best analogy, but hopefully you get the idea...

Again, I'm not defending said tennant.  I just believe he should have a chance to explain himself before letting any emotions come into a business decision.  Anyhow, Im just interested in thinking creatively in any situation.  There's always a great solution to any dilemma.

Post: Drugs found in duplex. What to do?

Andrew JordanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 21

Ill just say - I read all the comments.  I am not an attorney.  

My question is - if he is a good paying tenant, keeps your property clean, acts respectful toward you, and is communicative...why would you get involved with is personal life?  Don't get me wrong, I completely understand your point, but...there are no emotions rolled up in dollar bills.  As you stated, I (personally) think your best course of action, if you really feel you need to handle it differently, is to talk to him personally.  Maybe even ask him whats going on?  He doesn't seem to be bothering anyone, the neighbors aren't complaining about him, and until this, you had no problems with him.  Maybe you could recommend him a treatment facility or something...I suppose my whole point is, be careful bringing personal matters into a business transaction.  I wish you nothing but the best of luck for the final outcome.  

Post: Houston SFR - Good Buy & Hold Opportunity

Andrew JordanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 21

Please message me with the same information @Greg H. Mentioned above^^.  Thanks!

Post: HOUSTON: Investor Friendly & Portfolio Lender

Andrew JordanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 21

@William Dampier I live in the Austin area and work with 2 partners in Houston.   What part of Texas are you located?   I have two hard money lenders I've been working with for only several months but I'm always interested in networking or leveraging other options.   Message me when you get a chance and we can talk more.  Thanks!

Post: 3 Devastatingly Powerful Ways to Crush Your Competition!

Andrew JordanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 21

I came here for the pics and left with a podcast appointment.  👍🏻

@j.martin you've inspired me many times over and consistently get me to think creatively and stay focused.   Thank you for that!