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All Forum Posts by: Arlen Chou

Arlen Chou has started 14 posts and replied 916 times.

Post: Invest in Bay Area California? Just starting Out

Arlen ChouPosted
  • Investor
  • Los Altos, CA
  • Posts 942
  • Votes 1,707

@Adriana V Alvarado a "good deal" in the BA really depends more on your timeline and long term strategy. You will find people who make money in REI through many different strategies: buy and hold, flipping, BRRR, house hacking, short term rentals, rental arbitrage, etc. Don't get sucked into the trap of buying for the sake of buying. Analyze your strengths/weaknesses and also the type of business you are planning on building. Each one of the above examples are very different businesses and take different types of leaders. Once you figure out what type of business you want to start the type of property you should buy will become more clear.

As an example, if you think buying a condo and turning it into an airbnb at a later date is something that might interest you, you must do your research into the city rules regarding short-term rentals. It would be unfortunate if you bought a condo and later realized that you could not legally do Airbnb. 

My son bought a 4 plex in Oakland at the beginning of the year for $770,000. This was fully vacant property near the lake and Whole Foods. This was on and off the market for nearly 2 years. It is in a great location, but needs a ton of work. It was a good deal for him, because he was willing to do the work to get the units into rent condition. To most it was a "hard pass" because there are many headaches that come with a building like this.

Long story short, there are deals out there for the right people with the right long term strategy. Figure that piece out before you put your money on the table.

Post: South Bay MTR Arbitrage

Arlen ChouPosted
  • Investor
  • Los Altos, CA
  • Posts 942
  • Votes 1,707

@Aaron Dixon welcome to BP. There is a meetup hosted by @J. Martin on Oct 2 in Los Altos. I don't think it is posted here, but look him up on Facebook under J Thomas Martin. I believe the topic is Airbnb, so maybe there will be some MTR info for you. Good luck

Post: GENERATIONAL WEALTH: Do you worry about your kids?

Arlen ChouPosted
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  • Los Altos, CA
  • Posts 942
  • Votes 1,707

@Steve Vaughan thank you for the shout out! I started REI with the intent of generational wealth, that included passing knowledge on to my children. I wasn't looking to build wealth for myself, I wanted to build a foundation where my children could build real wealth. It just turned out that I have been able to create a pretty good life for my family along the way.

I started off with subtle clues for the kids from a very young age. Every month I would layout the "mailbox money" on the dinner table and get things ready to deposit. Eventually, they got to the age where they would ask what I was doing and I would explain where this money was coming from. Time would pass, but they remembered the idea of "mailbox money". When other families were buying new cars or going on vacations, I would reference "mailbox money" and explain to them the difference between assets and liabilities. 

When my kids were a little older, I started taking them for short periods of time to some of my renovations. Not to work, but to have fun. My thought was that anybody can do demo. One of my fondest memories was taking my 10 year old son and 12 year old daughter to do some demo on a kitchen. It wasn't about being efficient or doing it right, it was about making it fun. I put eye and ear protection on the kids and handed a hammer to my daughter and an old baseball bat to my son and told them to go to town. At first they didn't understand, but I took the bat and took a full swing at a cabinet. After that, they were booth hooked on demo. Another time, I told them we were going to paint some "graffiti". We went into a unit, and I handed them paint brushes and a bucket of primer and told them to paint what they want wherever they wanted. Teaching like this slows down the renovation process, but when the goal is generational wealth building, a week or a month delay is nothing.

They were never obligated to help and I never forced them to do work. They just naturally migrated to it as they learned the difference between assets and liabilities and how sweat equity can accelerate the process of wealth building.

During the covid lock downs, I had them read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" and write a report for me. They got paid to read it but they came away with a good understanding of the base concepts. Now whenever we go on vacation or I take time off mid-week to do something with them, I explain to them the reason I can do that, but many parents cannot, is that I own my own business and we own assets with reasonable liabilities. My goal has always been to raise my children to have time freedom and I tell them that cannot be done as an employee.

Now that they are in their 20's I am stepping them through the process of buying properties. The first property I find and negotiate for them. They are their through the entire process and learn by watching. My son is on his first property, but my daughter is on her second. In the second step, we discussed what type of attributes she wanted and I found several properties. It was her decision to make on which property to purchase from the "short list" and what the offer price would be. I advised on the negotiations, but let her make the final call. The third and final step will be when they do all of the foot work. I will again take an advisory role, but they will drive the project from start to finish.

Through the entire process we discuss financing and the banking process. I understand to many on BP the goal is to replace income with "mailbox money." But I explain to them that having a W2 at the beginning is a good thing. It is needed to get loans, and early jobs are good places to learn what not to do. Hopefully, they will transition to owners of businesses and then eventually to investors.

As a final tool for knowledge transfer, I use social media as a living archive of what we do in real estate as a family. I don't post for likes or followers, I post so that my children and hopefully my grandchildren can see how the wealth was built over time. They can see the progress they have made over the years and hopefully it will help build confidence in them for those dark days all real estate investors eventually encounter. 

@Jim K. I hope that my journey helps you and anybody else that stumbles upon my post.

@Flavia Vangelotti I would get a place for mom in FL for several reasons. But primarily for the efficiency of money. The money you save in rent is post tax income for you. Any income that comes in for a rental you own will be pre-tax money. Your depreciation and other write-offs for the rental probably will not offset income, so you will probably have some tax burden to deal with. Your income that is spent on the rent for your mother is already taxed, so you are basically getting taxed from 2 different directions. 

If you get a place for your mother, those post tax dollars stay in your pocket. Additionally, you don't have to worry about tenants or evictions, etc. Basically, I believe that at the start of your real estate journey, especially if you have young kids, it is better to start off down the path of least resistance. Your mother will hopefully be a really good tenant, and you won't have any additional income for Uncle Sam to tax.

Good luck!

Post: Airbnb Arbitrage in the Bay Area

Arlen ChouPosted
  • Investor
  • Los Altos, CA
  • Posts 942
  • Votes 1,707

@D Lee arbitrage in the Bay Area can and does work. However, the market is in a precarious position at this current time. I rent to people who set up mid and short term rentals. I have been told that many large corporations are cutting internships, traveling nurse levels seem to be dropping off and general travel seems to be down. The days of throwing up an Airbnb anywhere and be successful are appear to be over. Spend time analyzing your market and be very confident in your numbers before committing to starting this new venture. 

Post: Motivated High School Senior (Soon to be college student)

Arlen ChouPosted
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  • Los Altos, CA
  • Posts 942
  • Votes 1,707

@Max Couper, you should come out a meetup in Berkeley hosted by @Tyler Jahnke

https://www.meetup.com/realestateunited/events/296118761/

Good luck on your journey,

-Arlen

@Rohit G. Have you lived in the condo? If you have lived in the condo for 3 out of the past 5 years you can take advantage of the primary residence sales capital gains exemption and sell the condo. If you can do this, sell the property and invest in a different asset class. Condominiums are a tough asset class to make money with over a long period of time. HOA's take a substantial amount of control away from the owner and the monthly dues will always have a negative impact on your cash-flow. Additionally, you are correct about the potential appreciation of a condo in this environment.

Post: Sell primary residence or keep as rental

Arlen ChouPosted
  • Investor
  • Los Altos, CA
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@Pradeep Prabakar Ravindran Assuming you have lived in the house for at least 3 years, you have several years to take advantage of the capital gains exclusion. Coupled with the fact that you believe there might be a chance you will need to come back to the Bay Area and that the slight negative cash flow is not an issue for you, you should just hold on to the property. Even if you decide the East Coast is the place for you, as @Russell Brazil has stated, the appreciation of the property of the long run should continue you to build wealth for you.

Post: RE Meet ups in the Bay Area

Arlen ChouPosted
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  • Los Altos, CA
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@Jhim Handrex there is a meetup coming up on the March 30th, 12- 2, hosted by @Tyler Jahnke at the Original Pattern Brewing. No pressured selling or pitching, just investors hanging out and talking shop.