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All Forum Posts by: Marc C.

Marc C. has started 60 posts and replied 400 times.

Post: best cities now for multi-family investment

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

By the way: Lots of folks mention www.city-data.com as a good place to start. I tend to find their info a little stale, though.

Post: best cities now for multi-family investment

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

Time to do your homework! It takes RESEARCH to answer your question. Not just looking at Loopnet, either. Research the economy: job growth, unemployment rate, population growth, rent growth, major employer expansion plans, vacancy rates, building permits, etc. There are just so many variables. 

There are TONS of reports online about each market from Berkadia, CBRE, Marcus-Millichap, Yardi and others. I would also buy a REIS report before I invested in a new market. Once I'd narrowed it down, I'd interview RE professionals (esp. property managers) about the submarkets that are responding best in that market.  

The Midwest traditionally offers stability: Slow growth, not wild appreciation. Indiana, Ohio, and Missouri are getting attention from value investors lately. Some cities are depopulating, though, which is NOT something I want to be part of. 

Post: Fianancing

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

How about a traditional 50/50 J-V deal: Someone else puts up the money, you do all the work, and you split the profits? 

Or what about a hard money loan...would seller accept 2nd position so a hard money lender could come in with a 12% interest note in first position for a year? Then you refi the seller out after a year with a local bank. That assumes there is an upside/value play here: That you are going to improve the property and raise the rents over the next year so that you force appreciation. Remember, at an 8% cap rate, every $1 in rent you raise or expenses you cut, you increase the value of your property by $150. ($12/.08). Do that enough so that you can put an 80% loan on it a year from now and pay off everyone and still have 20% equity in the deal. 

Post: Is it worth buying near the top of the market?

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

Remember, real estate is always local. Yes, apartments are, in many markets, overpriced, thanks to 4% interest rates. Too many people chasing too few of deals. It's hard to see cap rates going much lower from here since interest rates are probably at their bottom. Which market you are in matters: Job growth and population growth are two key factors for multifamily investors. Is your market growing in under>30 age group? Are there major employers hiring? How is wage growth doing...you can't increase rents if wages aren't going up. What is going on with apartment construction in that market? If there are a ton of apartments coming online in 2016 and 2017 in your market, I would be be using a higher vacancy rate in my projections. 

Of course, buying at the right price is still key. As is having a way to force appreciation going forward (through improvements, rent growth, vacancy control and expense control). You need to examine your expected Cash on Cash and total ROI over a 10-year hold and see if you are satisfied with those numbers, and be very conservative in your projections. What about selling price on the other end? If you are buying at a 7% or 6% cap rate right now, how does your overall rate of return look if you have to sell at a 9% cap rate in 5 years? 10 years?

I am being extra-conservative in my projections for things like rent growth and expense growth rates...rent typically keeps up only with GDP, which is growing at less than 2% a year. Try a 2% rent growth and 3% expense growth: Do your numbers STILL work? Even with a 9% selling cap rate? What if the vacancy rate is 15%?

I would also be wanting a loan that has no interest rate reset for 10 years, if possible...5 years isn't enough right now: What if your 5th year is like 2010? You also don't want to be overleveraged: Believe me, there is nothing like the security of having 25-30% equity in your property as a security blanket. What about seller financing...is it available? 

Post: Albuquerque Apartment Investor Breakfast Club

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

Our first meetup, held 9/9, was AWESOME! We had 13 people turn out, and the table really couldn't have held more. (There are chairs around the walls of the room, so more can fit.) But we're going to have at least one more meeting there before we decide if we need to change venues.

I gave a talk about how to value multifamily buildings, and there was a lot of great discussions on that topic and several others. Two appraisers, a Realtor and a property manager who is president of the NM Apartment Association were there, with the rest being investors: Both experienced and new, both passive and active investors. We couldn't have asked for a greater mix. The food was good, too. (If you'd like a copy of the 5-page discussion about valuing multifamily buildings that I handed out to the group, please email me at marc@multifamilypartners.org.)

Afterwards, six of us went to look over a possible 8-plex deal that involves both a foreclosure and a private seller. It was great to strategize with others on a rehab and business plan for the asset. Amazing ideas happen when you get six smart people thinking at once!

At our next meeting, we hope to announce two excellent multifamily deals we have contracts on and will be looking for New Mexico partners to join us in. The next meeting is Oct. 14 at 8am at the same location: Weck's at 4500 Osuna Rd. NE. Tell your boss you can't come in until 10:00. It'll be worth it. This next one is going to cost $10 each (plus breakfast), with the proceeds going to the charity of the speaker's choice. Please RSVP and pay your $10 at http://www.meetup.com/Apartment-Investor-Breakfast.... As for speakers, we are hoping to have someone from the property management side of the industry. Upcoming speakers at following meetings will include representatives from the insurance, brokerage, lending, and appraisal sectors...and hopefully plenty more experienced and new investors.

Hope to see you next month!

Marc Coan
Multifamily Partners LLC
marc@multifamilypartners.org

For current multifamily industry news, visit www.multifamilypartners.org

Post: Albuquerque Apartment Investor Breakfast Club (Monthly)

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

Our first Albuquerque Apartment Investor Breakfast Club meetup was AWESOME! We had 13 people turn out, and the table really couldn't have held more. (There are chairs around the walls of the room, so more can fit.) But we're going to have at least one more meeting there before we decide if we need to change venues.

I gave a talk about how to value multifamily buildings, and there was a lot of great discussions on that topic and several others. Two appraisers, a Realtor and a property manager who is president of the NM Apartment Association were there, with the rest being investors: Both experienced and new, both passive and active investors. We couldn't have asked for a greater mix. The food was good, too. (If you'd like a copy of the 5-page discussion about valuing multifamily buildings that I handed out to the group, please email me at marc@multifamilypartners.org.)

Afterwards, six of us went to look over a possible 8-plex deal that involves both a foreclosure and a private seller. It was great to strategize with others on a rehab and business plan for the asset. Amazing ideas happen when you get six smart people thinking at once!

Next meeting is Oct. 14 at 8am at the same location: Weck's at 4500 Osuna Rd. NE. Tell your boss you can't come in until 10:00. It'll be worth it. This next one is going to cost $10 each (plus breakfast), with the proceeds going to the charity of the speaker's choice. Please RSVP and pay your $10 at http://www.meetup.com/Apartment-Investor-Breakfast.... As for speakers, we are hoping to have someone from the property management side of the industry. Upcoming speakers at following meetings will include representatives from the insurance, brokerage, lending, and appraisal sectors...and hopefully plenty more experienced and new investors.

Hope to see you next month!

Marc Coan,
Multifamily Partners LLC
marc@multifamilypartners.org

For current multifamily industry news, visit www.multifamilypartners.org

Post: Making an offer when you don't have the numbers: How to proceed?

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

Thanks to all who posted! BP rocks!

Post: Making an offer when you don't have the numbers: How to proceed?

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

Oh, and by the way: I have not seen inside a single unit and probably won't until the due diligence period. (100% occupied). I've driven by it and taken some photos. Seems like a C+/B- quality. My interest is in taking that to an A- and completely changing the tenant base. 

Post: Making an offer when you don't have the numbers: How to proceed?

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

What would YOU do?

My partners have been sending out letters to owners of multifamily buildings we’d like to own. Response, as you can imagine, has been light, but we have heard from at least two owners who have interesting properties to sell. Note that both are over age 70 and looking to retire. They have self-managed and maintained their properties. Records seems sparse and non-computerized. We know the location, the unit mix, and the rent ranges ($800-$900, $1100-$1200, etc.), and he claims that, because of the location, “it always stays full.” But we have nothing else to go on as far as the property’s actual historical performance.

He wants an offer. I want to give him an LOI this week before he calls someone else or a broker. In the past, I've only purchased through brokers, who provided their own pro-forma APODs and applied a too-low cap rate to derive a too-high purchase price. I'd fiddle with the numbers a bit to make sure they were realistic for my plans, then make an offer based on those numbers and the cap rate I was willing to pay. Sometimes, I'd include my APOD to show how I arrived at the number.

But what about when you don’t have even an estimate of the expenses? Seems a little early in the process to be asking for bank statements and tax records, although those will be required in the due-diligence period. If he will even provide real financials to a stranger, it might take quite some time for him to collect them; we could risk losing out to a competing buyer/broker.

How would you proceed to a.) Value the property, and b.) Make him a reasonable offer?

  • Would you spend the time to call him, try to arrange a personal meeting, and try to get to know him? Perhaps trying to build up trust so he will provide the financials now?
  • Would you just get him an offer ASAP, based only on Gross Rent Multiplier?
  • Would you base your offer on the property’s square footage and the average value per square foot in the area? (If we can find that number for 25-year-old multifamily properties.)
  • Would you create your own pro-forma APOD using his claimed average rents and your knowledge of market-average expense rates, then apply a cap rate? In other words, do it all with TOTALLY made-up expenses?
  • Would you show him the pro-forma APOD you made up? If so, would you put in some language in the LOI explaining that we didn't have his numbers, so the purchase price is "subject to" his producing financials that closely support our estimated ones?
  • Would you even bring up cap rates with an 82-year-old owner, who has no broker to ask what it means?
  • Would you just “low ball” him an offer, knowing that might upset him and either have him so ticked off, he walks, or maybe he angrily counters with some astronomical number?
  • Or would you "high ball" him now with a low cap rate (high purchase price) just to get him excited about selling, stop him from calling the competition or a broker, and get an offer in his hand… knowing he will counter with an even higher price? Then, once we have a signed deal at some ridiculous price, and we get the actual financials (probably limited to leases, bank statements and LLC tax returns, in this case), come back and try to "retrade" the price (ask for lower)?
  • Would you just send him a simple LOI with your maximum purchase price and claim it is your "take it or leave it" offer?
  • Would you include multiple scenarios in the LOI: One for cash-only, one for total seller-finance with a reasonable down, and one for a partial seller-finance?

Would love to hear from some other BP’ers who have been in this situation of dealing directly with commercial property owners who’ve indicated a willingness to sell, but can’t/won’t provide enough detail for the buyer to make a truly informed decision. 

Thanks in advance to all respondents! Your input is what makes BP great. 

Post: Recommendations for multi-family analysis software

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

https://www.getrefm.com/shop/excel-models/apartmen...

REFM: $500 is a lot to spend on software