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All Forum Posts by: Marc C.

Marc C. has started 60 posts and replied 400 times.

Post: Do you do direct mail to Apartment owners?

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352
Originally posted by @Nick B.:

@Marc C., what salutation do you use in your mailings is the property is owned by an LLC?

I can dig up the people behind that LLC in most cases but I wonder how they perceive a personal salutation and a statement that I think they are a real owner of this property.
Also, who to address if there are more than one owner or manager of that LLC?

LLC's have been trickiest for us. So far, we have only mailed to the Registered Agent if we can verify that the Registered Address is a home. If there is a mailing address for the LLC and it is not an office, we will mail to that. If it's an office building, we don't bother. We tried subscribing to TLO.com from TransUnion, but found that, for my state, there wasn't any info there about companies that we couldn't get from the state and county web sites. It excels at getting info on people, however. For example, skip tracing and background checks (not employment or tenant, as they disallow that.)

Since I last posted, I've received another lead. He's a little overpriced, but again, old guy looking to retire. Hopefully, one of these will work out. I might be looking to wholesale those I can't take down. Or be a passive investor. 

Post: Finding local commercial brokers

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

the list comes from the county assessor a or planning office. Yes, there is a charge. 

Post: Someone mentioned St. Louis market?

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

Yardi just published a report on that market. 

http://www.yardimatrix.com/Media/Downloads/File/11...

Also, the Sacramento market is hot:

http://www.yardimatrix.com/Media/Downloads/File/113-Sacramento-Summer2016Outlook?signup=false

Post: Do you do direct mail to Apartment owners?

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

So, since I started this discussion a few hours ago, I got ANOTHER lead...the best one yet, for an 80-unit. Will carry a note...in fact, won't sell it without carrying a note. HARD TO FIND.

Post: Do you do direct mail to Apartment owners?

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352
Originally posted by @Nick B.:

I've sent two rounds of mail targeting long time owners. 40 or so people. I got two phone calls but nothing definite. They were fishing for price and had inflated expectations. I even called a few people from my list and got "I will never sell" response from those owners.

Hey Nick. All I can say is, do it every quarter, and change it each time. One month, go corporate. The next quarter, go folksy/personal. Another time, send an article with a post-it note. Another, a post card with a hand-written message. Someone is ALWAYS looking to retire. The other thing is increase the size of your list. 40 isn't too many. Expand your market reach? 

Good luck, either way. But stick to it! 

Marc C. 

Post: Do you do direct mail to Apartment owners?

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

@Salvatore Lentini - I went to the county planning office and had them download me a copy of their database, where there was a category for multifamily. Then we sorted by square footage or tax value. Then we inspected them on Google Maps. Finally, we drove by tons of them and decided what we would want to own and what we didn't. (I have two Millennial partners with more time than I do.) Then we ordered Listsource, but they weren't able to turn up any leads we didn't have. And they didn't have the county's multifamiliy breakdown, so we had to run the reports as Residential and use square footage to come up with the same list. (Success with Listsource really depends on the county where the property is listed. They admit that.) 

Post: Seller financed mortgage vs Real Estate Contruct

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

For a mortgage, why pay a lawyer when Fannie Mae has done most of the work for you? 

Start here: https://www.fanniemae.com/multifamily/core-loan-do...

Continue here: https://www.fanniemae.com/content/legal_form/3maxe...

If you need a referral to an attorney, I was real happy with:  James A. Chavez in Albuquerque. Only $250/hr. Does my leases, etc. 

Post: Seller financed mortgage vs Real Estate Contruct

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

Just sent you the definitive book on REC's in New Mexico. REC's are pro-seller due to easier foreclosure. 

Mortgage is pro-buyer for the opposite reason. 

Post: Finding local commercial brokers

Marc C.Posted
  • Buy-and-Hold Rental Investor
  • Santa Fe, NM
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 352

I wish I could rename the title "Here's how to find local commercial brokers," but BP won't let me change it. So now the same question will keep coming up over and over again. 

Since this topic comes up often, I thought I would paste here some of the stuff I have posted to others looking for commercial brokers with apartment listings. 

Personally, I like to look at who the Listing Agents on Loopnet are for properties in my category. I also search Realtor.com for apartment listings and see whose names come up over and over again. Finally, I join the local REIA, and, if I can't attend, seek recommendations in their Meetup or Facebook pages. 

In each market there are 4-5 agents who do a large percentage of deals. You want to meet with all 5 of them in person, with a one-page write-up of your business plan (on your company letterhead) and what you are looking for, then follow up with them by phone or email weekly, in the hopes they call you with their next pocket listing. When they send you deal, send them feedback about EVERY deal with what you liked and disliked about it, so they get a better feel for your needs. Send them an article or two when new data comes out on the market, by mail if necessary. Find out when their birthdays are and send them physical cards. Also, after you meet with them the first time, send a personal thank you card by mail.

Don't forget: One of the reasons you meet with these brokers is that you want recommendations on managers, architects, lenders, contractors, appraisers, etc. You'll get the same names from some of the brokers...a good sign. You MUST have a team in place and be able to tout them. 

By the way, the top apartment managers often know who of their owners is ready to sell. They will originate some pocket listings. I would want to talk to the same 5 top managers (may be the same as brokers in some cases) and get recommendations from them about other team members, as well as to find out what their rates are and if they have any "pocket listings." Same thing: Meet in person, send thank-you card, email them every couple of weeks. Try to become the guy they call FIRST. 

Just remember: Brokers are hearing from TONS of buyers from all over the country these days. They will quickly assess whether you are worth their time or not. One way they will do that is if you visit them in person, not just by phone. Just don't expect too many deals to flow your way until you get at least one deal in the market under your belt, as there is tons of competition. A "Greater Fool" from California who thinks a 6% cap rate is a smokin' deal is going to beat you out much of the time, but who cares? Make the offer that works for you (via Letter of Intent) and move on to the next one. Offer three options in your LOI, and include the TOTAL money they will receive in each scenario, i.e. $1M purchase price but, over 10 years of seller-carried interest, it becomes $1.5M, and that sounds pretty good to those who get stuck on purchase price alone.)

Finally, as I have posted in other discussions, I am getting good results finding off-market deals from direct mail directly to building owners (20-50-units). In this range, you find the Mom and Pops looking to retire. Takes time to prepare all of them mailings and make them look good (hand-written envelopes, real signatures on a one-page letter). Just got started, but response has been good; 6 out of about 120 letters, so 5%. And they are all serious sellers so far. For two of them, I had an LOI to them within 72 hours. Haven't done any deals yet, but working those two. If they don't sell, I will send the same offer in a couple of months, and keep doing so until they sell to me or someone else.

PERSISTENCE COUNTS FOR A LOT IN REAL ESTATE!