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All Forum Posts by: Abram Ylitalo

Abram Ylitalo has started 13 posts and replied 47 times.

I hope I'll be able to make it.  I'm actually taking my REA course and that is my second day.  If I can get credit for the day and leave early I'll definitely be there! 

Post: Door to Door lead generation and sales

Abram YlitaloPosted
  • Investor
  • Selden, NY
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 10

I'm going to shamelessly bump this post since I posted it during an offpeak time and in the morning it quickly was buried.

Post: Door to Door lead generation and sales

Abram YlitaloPosted
  • Investor
  • Selden, NY
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 10

Aloha, BPers. 

I have been absent from the boards for a while because I spent the last couple months being a professional salesman door to door.  I learned a lot from a very large company about the mentality it takes, the commitment it takes, and the persistence it takes to sell door to door.  Currently I'm a student using my GI bill to go to school and wanted a summer job and said "why not" to this opportunity.  It was decent cash and I can't even begin to explain to you how much I learned and affirmed. 

What I want to bring up today are the things that I affirmed. 
1.) Building relationships with your customer is more important than your product because they buy you, not what you're selling. 

2.) The Law of Averages is real.  You will eventually get a yes.  And for every no you get you're one more talk-to closer to that yes. 

3.) You can rehash with everything.

I am still a landlord for properties in Hawaii that I've bought and held.  I've played around with the idea, way too many times, about getting my Sales Person license.  I have been enrolled in the course in Hawaii, Maryland, and now New York.  In New York I plan on doing a 9 day crash  course and taking the test the last day of the course.  

In New York agents can do, from what I understand and for those of you who haven't heard of the practice, rent brokering. They take people that need rental properties and they charge them one months rent (which pushing the lower end of the bracket here is about 1000 dollars) to get them into the properties (as renters). The landlord or some other entity, at that point, manages the property past the renter but the landlord incurs no cost to get a great tenant (presumably) at no cost to them. The reason why this works here is the rental MLS is massive and generally anything that hits Craigslist (the other main artery for renting here) is at or undermarket and is gone within hours if it's a deal. Some people prefer to go through brokers because of XYZ, blah blah blah.

I want to take the knowledge I have from going door to door and go door to door with my license here.  Build relationships within entire neighborhoods with homeowners and play my law of averages.  Use my knowledge of the steps to a business conversation, building value, steps to building impulse through conversation, closing, rehashing (which, in my experience, real estate professionals don't do NEAR enough) etc etc.  

I used to get 40-50 talk-tos in a day (only 6 hours a day door to door).  For me that meant that I would close between  2 and 3 of them with the product I had.  Even if it takes me two days and 200 talk-tos to get one person that knows someone or wants to rent or is looking for another place to rent, that is 40-50 more people in my farming area that I've met face to face and built a relationship over, even if brief, over a 5 minute period and by getting 1 person to rent or interested in a seminar or at a later date be put on my buyer's list or to send me someone else's info because of "That nice hard working young man" who knocked on the door a few months ago, it will have been worth my time.  When they tell agents to "expect their first check to come after 6 months" that's BS in my opinion.  

Anyhow, if people are interested in the idea I'll post the ideas I've had for a script and also if anyone else has had success or plight by trying to do this (trial and error) please share!  I'll have 5 days a week where I'm not going to school and am looking at this venture as supplemental income just as my current RE holdings are.  

Have a great night everyone!

Post: First Time Investor - Numbers Help

Abram YlitaloPosted
  • Investor
  • Selden, NY
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 10

Michael Siekerka I've never seen someone actually try to define this rule quite so directly. It probably means I've not been around the boards enough so I'd like to ask you this - Does that 50% include debt service?

Post: Contractor disappeared, won't answer calls

Abram YlitaloPosted
  • Investor
  • Selden, NY
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 10

J Scott I've always wondered this. What would be considered sufficient documentation for contacting someone? Short of pulling phone records or taking screen shots on my smart phone of numbers dialed out I'm not sure what I would do. Email is easy enough and so is texting but if the contractors Diana B. is working with are anything like the ones I used to, they use flip phones, are terrible texters, and even worse at emailing. Calling is usually the only good way to get a hold of them.

Post: Hi from Virginia

Abram YlitaloPosted
  • Investor
  • Selden, NY
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 10

Hello Marybeth! I'm in Maryland! I've met a number of people from VA since being on the boards though! I've found this to be a wealth of information. Read tons post some :)

Thank you all for the good wishes. By the time I was 22 years old I'd been deployed for 4 years already. So I figured WHY NOT?!

I appreciate all of your appreciation and from the sound of it we've got some vets among us. I'll look forward to connecting with some of you in the future!

@jeff from Alaska.

I've seen some of then get pretty damn creative. The Ikea Nestin instinct and America's overall tendency of becoming more frugal and fiscally independent over this recession I think are why this is such a viable option. Lots Of government grants could be incorporated to this idea as well. I think for our poor fellows along the hurricane belt this could also be a market. I like the idea of setting them in a timeshare manner as well. Tokyo, Manhattan, San Fran, Miami.

The cons, yes I know, are plentiful. But I've proven in my personal life time and time again that the more time spent on the pros the better. Forgive me for such a fragmented reply. On my phone.

Post: The Underdog's Story - I BEGAN investing in '08

Abram YlitaloPosted
  • Investor
  • Selden, NY
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by Scott W.:
Read up on the 50% rule on here. You definitely should consider selling these if you're currently out of a job and have 18% credit card debt.

Take the $ and pay for your tuition.

I will definitely read more on the 50% rule.

Just FYI, having served, my tuition for school is paid for and I receive a living stipend while attending school.

After having asked my questions a couple times, now, I suppose I'm asking in the wrong place, being a complete noob and not understanding the dynamics of this forums, or they're being read but not particularly considered important.

Thanks again for your time.

Brandon Turner, Thank you very much! And yes, storage container living. It's already being experimented with in major metropolitan areas. There are distributors in china that are begining to make in extremely high quantities. What I'm attracted to about the idea is the efficient mentality of it. One of my partners and I have been brainstorming on how to get government grants for any number of markets revolving around it, create the business plan, tie it in, and see what happens.

Jeff Frantz, my experience in this is still in its infancy. As I anticipated, this board has a lot of knowledge and a lot of experience. It's perhaps an idea that is before its time. Taking into consideration the affordability of outfitting a container to meet 90% of standard living codes and the opportunities it has to fulfill the governments agendas in many areas, I think there is, without a doubt, a fight to be had and a lot of money to be made. You said you're in NOVA, I'd love to meet up with you some time. It will, without a doubt, need investors. Perhaps we can talk about what these investor's guidelines may be?