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All Forum Posts by: Abe DeHart

Abe DeHart has started 4 posts and replied 46 times.

Post: MARROIT - Homes and Villas smashing it with STRs

Abe DeHart
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  • Lawton, OK
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Marcello Di Gerlando:

Looks like Marriott is taking up some space with its own luxury STRs. If they continue to do well as this article suggests I suspect other hotel chains will follow suit. 

What do you think the impact will be to independent STR operators?

https://skift.com/2020/12/03/s...

This helps even the playing field for operators that may not be able to self manage. If Marriott manages and standardizes, they will be able to reduce risk for operators and some operators will be willing to take a revenue cut for that. I don’t see it making a huge difference for many of the operators here who are very invested and hands-on with their properties  

Personally I travel 200+ nights a year for work and stay primarily at Marriott’s. I book vacations based on where there are great Marriott properties. This opens up a lot of awesome opportunities for me to leverage their platform and my “elite” status/points. Bonvoy (Marriott’s points program) has ~120M members so it’s got a bit of clout. Many of those folks aren’t avid travelers, but many are, and the people who travel consistently make up a lot of spend. 

Post: How many (STRs) is too many?

Abe DeHart
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  • Lawton, OK
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 25

@Luke Carl - Same here. Randomly ran across the podcast while changing the oil on my truck, listened to all episodes in late 2017. Closed on 1st rental in June 2018. 29 months later at 44 units. All thanks to BP...

Post: How many (STRs) is too many?

Abe DeHart
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  • Lawton, OK
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 25

@Luke Carl - This makes a lot of sense. Really like the way you have optimized your time and leveraged the FTE as a personal assistant. Inspiring!

Post: How many (STRs) is too many?

Abe DeHart
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  • Lawton, OK
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Luke Carl:

@Abe DeHart I found the need for my first full time employee and full time book keeper around door number 25. Anywhere from 5 to 7 of those have been high volume STR. Currently have 6.

@Luke Carl - This is really helpful. Any idea of the amount of time that the FTE and bookkeeper spend on the STR vs. LTR?

Post: How many (STRs) is too many?

Abe DeHart
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  • Lawton, OK
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Paul Sandhu:

When we got to about a dozen STRs, my wife quit her day job just to keep places clean between occupancies.  We would rather drink beer after 5:00 instead of cleaning houses until 10:00.  23 STRs, 83 beds (not bedrooms).  We do everything except use a sewer snake to clean out clogged sewer lines.  I pay a plumber $100 to do that.  Don't want anyones ship on my hands.

This makes a lot of sense. I'm just surprised there aren't more STR investors out there with 20+ STRs. Good for you for figuring out how to do this!

Post: How many (STRs) is too many?

Abe DeHart
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  • Lawton, OK
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Scott K.:

You forgot the last bucket. Which is those of us who want more but are currently waiting on money, or for our time to free up from the last purchase. I'm on #7 this year and hope to get 1-2 more each year until I get bored. I'll probably hire a manager at #10 or #12 so I can buy more per year. I don't see any reason to stop. 

It takes a lot more capital for an str due to all the furniture and supplies and increased quality of rehab. So it's a bit harder to scale as fast. 

This makes a lot of sense. I think the model you are pursuing is closer to what I’d like to do - scale enough to get a good PM to manage. There definitely would need to be some creative financing involved to scale this quickly. How much time/week does it take to manage 7 STRs?

Post: How many (STRs) is too many?

Abe DeHart
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  • Lawton, OK
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 25

I've noticed that many of the seasoned operators on this forum have between 5-10 STRs. @Paul Sandhu notably has 23, and 83 bedrooms (I think?). Is the # of doors a fair assessment, and if so, why not scale further? I'm guessing owners fall in a couple buckets:

- Don't automate and can't handle the repetitive tasks of more than a few rentals (probably not most of the pros here)

- Buy several STRs, achieve financial freedom, and are content to stabilize the properties and cashflow

- Focus on new revenue streams outside of STR

Is there any reason not to scale STRs like LTRs? For context I have 43 LTRs, 1 STR, and a 6 unit STR under contract. It seems like scaling STRs could work as long as you can get help with managing the "details".

Post: 6 Unit STR in the Smokies

Abe DeHart
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  • Lawton, OK
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Avery Carl:

@Daniel Green about 15 offers on the Wears Valley one at the moment. A lot of configuration options on that guy!

Is this on the MLS? I looked for multis after seeing this and didn't find anything on Zillow. Sounds like an interesting property!

Post: 6 Unit STR in the Smokies

Abe DeHart
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  • Lawton, OK
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Daniel Green:

Abe:  Let me venture a guess- you are buying the property on Johnson Lane in Gatlinburg? https://www.zillow.com/homedet...

I also have an offer (hopefully I will win this one) on a multi-unit property but in Wears Valley.  Let me know if you want to chat.  I'd love to brain-storm with people investing in the area.  The property on Johnson looks interesting and I think is a good investment.

Daniel - No, it was a FSBO that popped up last week just off 321. I wasn't specifically looking for something here, but the #s made a lot of sense as an STR. I'd love to hear about the multi in Wears Valley. I'm pretty tapped out, so I will not be competing with you on this one. Do you have STRs in the area already?

Post: 6 Unit STR in the Smokies

Abe DeHart
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  • Lawton, OK
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Justin Anderson:

Man, congrats!  Snagging 6 units should be great for you!

Without direct knowledge of this type of setup, I'll just throw out some speculation.  I'd suggest looking at the nightly rates on hotels.com for hotels at a given time of year for rates -- in general it's pretty low.  Look at those prices and ballpark your revenue.  Timers Lodge or maybe River Place Inn.  PF has TONS of motels serving that level of audience and much fewer hotels.  I'd guess you're looking at maybe $40-60/night in non-peak times unless you do something that makes it seem more like a place they'd want to stay instead of a random cheap motel.

I'm guessing a cabin-like hotel room probably won't have amenities (hot tub, arcade game, etc).  Maybe if you incorporate some unique amenities you'd have a shot at getting higher rates.  And you may be able to take advantage of the fact that airbnb shoppers aren't comparing prices on hotels.com and charge a bit more.

Fun challenge in front of you.  Hopefully you're local at least for a while to really dig in and test out your marketing ideas.

Thanks for the input, Justin! I think these units are probably more equivalent to a cabin than a condo or hotel/motel room. Each unit has 2-3 parking spots, it's own ground floor entrance and is a full house, with 1-2 shared walls with neighbors. If vacationers are going to compare these with local motel/hotel options, then I am in trouble. I'm not sure how many $/night I lose with the fact that it has painted walls vs. wood cabin. I'm also wondering if I need to put 6 hot tubs in on the decks each unit has... that will be pricy. 

We are local living in a new construction pool cabin locally for the next few months, so should be able to oversee the LTR to STR transition.