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Posted over 8 years ago

Using a HELOC/Cash/Stocks Purchase to then Cash out Refi

I want to give you some real value here, this is a strategy I'm currently executing, it goes right in line with @Brandon Turner's BRRR strategy, (Buy - Rehab - Rent - Refinance)  at least I think it does!

For this particular strategy, it is based on purchasing the property with cash up front.  How I generated the cash to purchase was a combination of getting a HELOC, some cash in checking, and then selling off some stocks that were completely stalled out and not generating any returns.  We are operating on the assumption that anytime you purchase with cash, you command more leverage with the seller, and therefore will get a discount (I get almost $10k off per property with cash).   Also, by rehabbing the property, you are drastically increasing the value, beyond what you paid for the purchase and rehab.  This increase in value, along with renting the property and producing cash flow, creates a strong appraised value from a lender which can then be cashed back out, sometimes (depending highly on appraised value) with more cash back then you actually invested in the first place.  This is a more aggressive approach, but take a look at the numbers below, this is exactly the deal I'm closing on shortly.  

Purchase price of 15 units: $280,000 (includes purchase + rehab costs)

total rental income: $7,000/mo = $84,000 yr.

Expenses:

Property Management: $8,400 (10%)

Taxes: $6000 (taxes in this state are capped at 2% of Taxable values which is typically based on the purchase price, not the rehabbed price (this could change if they catch up and assess the property after rehab)

Insurance: 5 properties x $600 = $3000 (Insurance covers the amount I purchased for, not the replacement cost, so my investment is covered, if anything happens I get my cash back and go find another house to do this with)   

Maintenance: $3,000 (Properties are freshly rehabbed so maintenance will not be high)

total expenses: $20,400

total net income: $63,600

cash on cash return: 63,600/280,000 = 22.7% (sick!)

Now the refinance cash out:

63,600 income/15% CAP rate = 424,000 value (what another investor would buy this for).  Let's be more conservative and say it appraises for $400,000 even though mine was higher.  

Finance 70% of 400,000 = $280,000 CASH BACK (my bank lets me do 80% of appraised value, but not all do, so we'll use 70% in this example).  

280,000 @5.5% interest rate (portfolio loan with 20 year amortization = $1900/mo. payments = $22,800 for the year)

To Summarize -

take your $63,600 in net income subtract 22,800 for debt service (loan payments) = $40,800 net income with NO CASH IN.  your returns are now exponential!!  That's $40,800 in pure passive income, without any of your own cash in the deal.  

NOW YOU HAVE OPTIONS

1)  Be conservative and pay back your HELOC, bank the rest for emergencies

2)  Take your $280,000 and go to the casino and play black or red and get real aggressive (not recommending this!)

3)  Take your $280,000 and do the same thing all over again

4)  Take your $280,000 and buy a new set of properties, this time you don't cash out refi and just let the cash earn strong returns

This is an incredible strategy - of course, it will take some work, and patience, and you will experience some snags (like an appraiser who doesn't know what he's doing and must be replaced which happened to me!).  Getting your HELOC takes time, selling stocks, moving your cash around, finding the right team to purchase from and rehab your properties, and getting tenants in place, all takes some time and effort but look at the rewards!

Any questions/comments, let me know!



Comments (8)

  1. @Chris Falk yes I show a nice income on my W-2's.  I certainly agree with you that yours should be a slam dunk with that much equity in your home, but I do see how you had some trouble getting approved by not showing enough income to the new debt ratio.  They are certainly not making it easy.  You could try for a cash out refi on this one and put it into a conventional 30 yr. fixed, although they will only give you 70% of what you just purchased it for, unless you wait 12 mos. then you can get 70% of the new appraised value. 


  2. to clarify, I meant that I own my primary residence outright.

  3. to clarify, I meant that I own my primary residence outright.

  4. @Ryan Zomorodi I have properties in 4 markets but most is in Indianapolis, it's where I'm getting by the far the best returns with the least problems. 

    It does depend if you're doing a residential or a commercial refi.  If residential, traditional 30 yr., under 12 mos. you can refi approx. 70% of the purchase price, after 12 mos. you can use the appraised value which would typically get you a higher cash out refi if appraisal is strong. (If doing 1 property, definitely go residential, you'll get better rates and terms).    If going commercial (great for multiple properties because you can bundle them all into 1 loan with 1 set of appraisal and closing costs),  it may depend on the lender, but mine is letting me do the refi right away, showing the leases in place does help the appraised value so I can get more cash back out.  Hope this helps!


    1. Hi Ryan. Curious, do you have a "day job" W2 paycheck that makes it easier for you to get bank refi/cashout? I am using about a $100k HELOC to purchase a rental in FL (and other $30k out of my regular funds) and it was a struggle to get approved for the HELOC even though I A) own the house outright at about $400k tax assess and $475ish market value B) 800+ credit C) plenty of liquid assets and some cash flow but no W2 day job paycheck the past year D) no single other debt of any kind except child support. Bottom line the HELOC was approved and a great rate (2.99/2 yrs and 3.99 thereafter) but banker was nervous that her underwriter would do it. It surprised me it was touch and go but she said the underwriters really focus on regular cash flow (and debt obviously) so the child support payment @ $2k/month weighed down by so called income to debt ratio. I needed the cheap rate to make the #'s work on this particular property so the asset based hard loan at 7-8% I was quoted and could easily get, while historically still cheap $, made this investment less attractive. I've been fortunate in that I haven't felt need to borrow $ for a house in a # of years so I was a little out of loop on how tough the criteria is today (I obviously knew in general that conforming mortgages require 1000 pages of backup and more rigorous screening process these days but a $100k HELOC on $400+k equity?). I feel a little odd using the HELOC, in effect borrowing from myself, to buy the house but it's a great deal and bottom line lets me put leverage on the property so the COC and IRR pencil out better.


  5. Excellent @Jack Gibson! Where are you investing? 

    I intend on doing this with a duplex in the next few months.

    How long does the property need to be cash flowing after the rehab before you can REFI?


  6. Where does the vacancy rate come into your evaluations?


    1. Good catch, I knew I was forgetting something!  Mine are all 100% occupied, but I know that won't always hold.