Insurance/Self Insurance options?

Insurance/Self Insurance options?

Investor · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2016 · 28 posts · 11 votes

Hello everyone,

I'm seeking some information and advice about insuring our rentals. We have a fairly substantial amount of SFRs in our portfolio, many of them lower cost houses in different cities in Michigan. The problem is that these houses are only worth between $25,000 and $50,000 yet the lowest cost insurance I can find is around the $600 to $700/year premium range and that DOESN'T include replacement value. So we are paying $650/year to insure a house that is worth, say, $30,000. Why? Because we want/need liability coverage. To make things even worse, the carrier we are currently insuring with is issuing cancellation letters for various houses based on suspect inspection and findings like roofs etc. I hate that tactic because once they get you to sign the bottom line they go out and cherry pick the best houses that they want to insure. Personally, I think it's unethical.

My question is, can anyone point me in the right direction for an insurance agent/carrier that is better suited for landlords with large portfolios like ours?

And...We would love to take the risk of fire and other issues by self insuring, but we don't want to (and it seems foolish) to self insure the liability portion. I mean, we are willing to self insure the liability up to a certain point but after that point we would like to be covered for any really big issues. I have not been able to find an insurance carrier that is willing to give us an umbrella liability policy without a basic underlying policy on the asset. Is it possible to get a huge umbrella policy on these rentals (and any other areas of our lives) without a basic policy first?

Thanks everyone!

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Greg ScottPro Member
Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
8y

Wow, that is definitely on the lower-end.  Where are these properties?

I have an umbrella policy for $2M.  It is an adjunct policy from my personal residence.  I've looked and that seems to be the only way to get an umbrella.

For insurance on many of my properties I use NREIG, which is a national insurance provider using co-insurance from LLoyds and other major insurers.  I like them because they can cover multi-state portfolios.  I've found that most of the time they are cheaper than traditional insurance companies, but not always.

Good luck.

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  • Greg ScottPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    8y

    Wow, that is definitely on the lower-end.  Where are these properties?

    I have an umbrella policy for $2M.  It is an adjunct policy from my personal residence.  I've looked and that seems to be the only way to get an umbrella.

    For insurance on many of my properties I use NREIG, which is a national insurance provider using co-insurance from LLoyds and other major insurers.  I like them because they can cover multi-state portfolios.  I've found that most of the time they are cheaper than traditional insurance companies, but not always.

    Good luck.

  • Jason BottPro Member
    Insurance Agent · Nationwide · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Ryan Z. you are definitely mismatched with your insurance carrier.  There are several insurance carriers out there that do not do physical inspections, but only need an exterior picture.

    As far as self- insuring on the Property and just buying a Liability policy, I have several clients who do this. 

    These Liability policies start around $1,500-$2,500 per year, $1M liability, $50-$75 per door. 

    Very easy to get done.

  • Jason BottPro Member
    Insurance Agent · Nationwide · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Greg Scott were you able to get your Personal Umbrella policy to go over the Lloyds policy from REI Guard? I have had many clients home and auto company decline to offer my clients because of this.

  • Greg ScottPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    8y

    Yes.  My umbrella is through Hudson Insurance.

  • Investor · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2016 · 28 posts · 11 votes
    8y

    Thanks for the responses guys. 

    Greg, the cities are Saginaw, Muskegon etc. 

    Jason, are you able to quote out of state?

  • Insurance Agent · Beaver Falls, PA · Member since 2016 · 126 posts · 84 votes
    8y

    @Ryan Z. - as Jason said, you do need to look elsewhere as there are insurance programs built for your type of situation.  I have a carrier that has a property package policy that I use for my clients with fifteen plus investment properties.  They can add and remove properties on their own on a daily basis.

  • Jason BottPro Member
    Insurance Agent · Nationwide · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Greg Scott Thanks. Hudson is a specialty insurance carrier.  I thought you might have a State Farm type company extending coverage.

    @Ryan Z. yes, I do most of my business out of state.  As of today, I have clients in 32 states.

  • Wholesaler · Easley, SC · Member since 2010 · 340 posts · 249 votes
    7y

    A word about NREIG mentioned above. I like the ease of use however save every single communication you have with them. They have failed to cover two of my properties this year due to their error. I have had to prove my case with saved emails. This is going to make me shop other alternatives since I have not checked the market in a while.

    I have not had a claim with them but I am concerned there will be issues when I do.

    Update: Just got feedback from them on their last error. I will be moving all my properties. Their processes and systems are just not reliable enough for me to trust them.

  • Kansas City, MO · Member since 2015 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    Hi Chris - We’re pleased that we were able to connect and get this situation resolved - please don’t hesitate to reach out if you have any questions or issues in the future.

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