Experience with Maverick Philadelphia?

[Account Closed]

Anybody have experience buying on the buy-renovate-rent-refi model with Maverick in Philadelphia or using that model with other turnkey providers?

[Anthony Gonzales]

I haven't heard of Maverick, but I am familiar with this business model. I've heard very positive reviews about Turn Key Philly and I've had a few conversations with Josh Wiedman (the principal). Knows his stuff. I'd check them out and maybe ask Josh if he's familiar with Maverick. 

[Tom Ott]

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Anybody have experience buying on the buy-renovate-rent-refi model with Maverick in Philadelphia or using that model with other turnkey providers?

I have never heard of them./ I always suggest doing some research. Make sure they are not just an agent using the word "turnkey" to sell you a property they think does not need a lot of work. Make sure it is a company that; owns, renovates, and manages the property all in house.

I would check out:

How to Find the Right Turnkey Real Estate Investment Company for You

[Patrick Shawn Faherty]

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Anybody have experience buying on the buy-renovate-rent-refi model with Maverick in Philadelphia or using that model with other turnkey providers?

 Follow this thread... https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/136097-anyone-out-there-have-experience-with-abc-capital-investments-in-philadelphia-pa-for-turnkey-properties

[Raj G.]

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[Raj G.]

In 2017, I found Hipster Investments (Ali Boone) and through Hipster attended a webinar hosted by Maverick Investment Group (Matt Bowles, Phil Alexander). During this webinar, Maverick Investor Group promoted and referred potential investors (like me) to ABC Baltimore (Jay Walsh). In Aug 2017, we (my wife and I) purchased a Baltimore BRRR property with ABC Baltimore. The property was sold to us for $106,000 ($46000 purchase price+ $60,000 for a full rehab to be completed by ABC Baltimore).

After 2 years (as of Aug 2019), I am writing to report that I lost thousands of $$ in this investment (breakdown attached). Sharing my experience, in my opinion, can help educate other new and experienced investors considering similar investments with ABC Baltimore or having investment discussions with Maverick Investor Group and Hipster Investments. Based on my experience and in my opinion, I cannot recommend ABC Baltimore, Maverick Investor Group or Hipster Investments.

The investment was a BRRR purchase in Baltimore where we would pay $106,000; $46,000 for the property + $60000 for a full rehab that was going to be completed in 120 days. Maverick received a referral fees (in excess of $6000) from the transaction between ABC Baltimore and me. In addition to the $106,000, we also paid ~$3500 in closing costs. During the Maverick Investment Group webinar, ABC Baltimore made the following guarantees that were also in our final contract with ABC Baltimore-

1) If the rehab takes longer than 120 days, the seller (ABC Baltimore) will pay us a rental guarantee of $1400 per month.

2) If the house after rehab is completed appraises for less than our total purchase price of $106,000 then the seller will buy the house back.

Assured by these guarantees in the contract, we signed the contract for $106,000. We had wonderful guarantees and a signed contract. Surely, nothing can go wrong, right?

Dead Wrong. Our 120-day rehab period ended in Dec 2017 and ABC Baltimore told us that the house was “very close” to being done. Even though we were disappointed that the rehab was not complete, we thought, the rental guarantee will offset the construction delay. ABC kept the first two and half months of rent from the rental guarantee for tenant placement fees and utilities (water, electric). Based on our records, ABC did not pay water, electric or any other utilities but charges us for them anyway. We had to pay the utilities directly to Baltimore City to stop the late fees from piling and have our credit affected.

Maverick, on the other hand, continued to advise us to be patient. Months passed and ABC kept saying that house was “very close”. After several reminders, ABC Baltimore started paying rental guarantees in March 2018 ($1260/month) and they were almost always late. In my opinion, it almost felt like we had to chase and coax ABC Baltimore to get the money owed to us from the rental guarantee. The rent guarantee was never deposited without several reminders that it was past due.

In May 2018, ABC told us that the house was almost done, and we could hire a licensed Home Inspector to inspect the home. The Home Inspector report revealed major deficiencies in the rehab and the Home Inspector told me that the rehab was like “putting lipstick on a pig”. We also learned that the house had failed or not received many of Baltimore city’s permits and inspections. When I sent the Home Inspection report to ABC Baltimore, it was the usual, “We will work on the items, we are very close, etc.”. Things continued at a snail pace with the rehab and I continued to remind and plead ABC to pay us the rent guarantees.

ABC Baltimore promised to continue paying us rent even after the Rent Guarantee expired on Dec 17 2018 because the house was not ready after more than 16 months. However, starting from Dec 2018, ABC Baltimore stopped paying us rental guarantees and the house remained unfinished without required city permits to rent the house. ABC Baltimore continued to say that “house was close” and Maverick continued to ask us to be patient. We thought about hiring a lawyer but the legal fees were expected to be in the range of $10k to $15k and would have taken months (if not years). We decided against taking the legal route and continued to plead ABC Baltimore to finish the rehab and pay us the monthly rent without success.

Of course, during this entire ordeal, Baltimore City issued several citations and fines to our property because ABC Baltimore was often working without required city permits and leaving construction trash outside. Because these were liens against our property, we paid over $1200 in Baltimore city citations from our own pockets. ABC Baltimore said they would pay us back these citations but of course they did not.

In May 2019, ABC Baltimore finally told us that the house was “ready”, and we could get it appraised. We thought- “Thank you, God! The wait will be worth it!”. The appraisal of our house from our refinance company came at $60,000. The house was expected to appraise at least $106,000 per contract! We immediately sent the appraisal report to ABC Baltimore and asked them to buy the house back per contract. ABC Baltimore said they would conduct their own second appraisal (per contract ABC Baltimore had the right to conduct second appraisal).

ABC Baltimore appraisal came at $102,000 (contingent on the basement flooring being fixed). Note that the house still did NOT have the required City Permits to rent the house to a tenant. It was very surprising how ABC’s appraisal ($102,000) was so much higher than our bank’s independent appraisal ($60,000). ABC Baltimore’s appraisal was still lower than $106,000 expected per contract. We again asked ABC Baltimore to buy the house back. At this point, we were literally scared and feared that if ABC Baltimore refused to buy back the house and then we would have to go through a long and expensive legal process. Feeling helpless and powerless, we offered to give up our unpaid rents and Baltimore City Citations of over $10,000 so that we can complete the buy back without having to go through a legal process.

In July 2019, ABC Baltimore agreed to buy the house back at $95,000. Burdened with a vulnerable and helpless feeling, I agreed to accept ABC Baltimore’s reduced offer of $95k and closed the buy—back with ABC (we still had to pay closing costs). During the days leading up to the closing of the buy-back, we sent Thank-you emails to ABC Baltimore and Maverick to butter them up. This is how vulnerable I felt.

All said and done, we lost thousands of $$. See the attached breakdown of losses for more details. We not only lost our hard-earned money but on top of everything, our health suffered, I had several sleepless nights due to the stress and anxiety that this horrible experience created for my wife and me.

After the buy-back was completed, I approached Maverick to at least help us with our losses by requesting us to give back ~$6000. Maverick said no and said I was acting unprofessional. Maverick pointed to the agreement we signed that essentially relieved Maverick from any financial losses suffered by us. In my opinion, Maverick and Hipster in good faith could have done more because Maverick had referred us to ABC Baltimore (and Hipster had connected us to Maverick). ABC Baltimore was a horrible referral, in my opinion. To me, it felt very unfair that we lost thousands of $$ in our transaction with ABC Baltimore and yet Maverick Investor Group made a commission in excess of $6k from our transaction with ABC Baltimore. After Maverick said no to our request to help us with ~$6k, I also approached Jay Walsh after the buy-back to help us by returning portion of the money that was owed to us. Jay Walsh told me that I had agreed to the buy-back terms and asked me to “Be a Man”.

In summary, thanks to everyone for reading the long post. I have attached documents that provide additional details to my post. I cannot recommend the three companies that I worked with (ABC Baltimore - Jay Walsh, Maverick Investor Group- Matt Bowles and Phil Alexander, and Hipster Investments- Ali Boone). I will end the post with a phrase that, in my opinion, is apt for my experience- “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”. There will never be a second time.

[Rogelio M.]

Ref: Maverick Investment Group.

Recently I sat threw a web presentation put on by Maverick Investment Group promoting turnkey properties in Kansas City. Initially I was impressed with the presentation, but, thereafter I fell in turmoil regarding what I had seen …. rather, NOT seen. I then felt compelled to share my experience with members in the Bigger Pocket community so that they may be fully aware of what they may be confronting when dealing with Maverick going forward.

With full disclosure, other than sitting through the webinar, I have had no further dealings with Maverick, nor its principals, representatives, Sellers or “Property Manager”.

Because of my background, my approach in performing due diligence may be a little different than how others move forward when evaluating an investment. If ‘back of the envelope’ calculations show that a transaction is viable, I shift FIRST into performing due diligence, not on the subject property, rather on the operator or the seller. In this case that would be Maverick and/or its management company. Mysteriously, the name of the PM company would remain unidentified during the presentation.

As the presenter was moving forward with the presentation slides, there was one slide which was quickly glossed over with little elaboration or explanation. That portion of the slide was not present but for a fleeting millisecond. If a viewer was not attentive to the missed detail of what was being presented during the webinar, one could easily assume the missed portion of information was not overly important. Long story short, I was later able to access that portion of the presentation. Paraphrasing, Maverick stated that the information provided on subject properties was not warranted and was provided as-is by the “Sellers”. Initially, I did not know how to interpret that statement, and was conflicted in that Maverick was introduced to me via a third party as a ‘turnkey provider’.

Now, I am a firm believer in the concept of transparency and full and fair disclosure. I will never deal with an operator who is not fully transparent and does not provide all information that an investor would deem to be material. So how does materiality play a role? …. A piece of information is ‘material’ to a prospective investor if a piece of information would impact the decision making process of the investor. I went into the web presentation believing that Maverick was a turnkey provider; at least that was the way it was presented to me initially by the third party. If, as the previous thread posts indicate, Maverick is a ‘marketing company’ and ‘not a turnkey provider’, then, the web presentation withheld material information and was therefore NOT fully transparent. Would it have been fair for Maverick to disclose during the web presentation that they were not a turnkey provider, rather a third party intermediary / marketer bringing together investors, sellers and PMs? Yes! Further, would this information have be ‘material’ to my decision making process? I argue yes!, yes! However, clear disclosure that Maverick is a marketing firm and not the turnkey provider was NOT provided, further aggravating the opaqueness of the presentation via a fleeting millisecond duration “slide” lamely and cryptically revealing (again paraphrasing) Maverick is not the “Seller” and information provided on the subject properties is provided NOT by Maverick, rather the some yet unidentified third party ‘seller’.

Was Maverick fully transparent during the web presentation? … was full and fair disclosure provided? I don’t think so!

I would like to expand on the viability of projects presented through Maverick. We all know that the economy is in the late stages of the cycle. I would not know when the recession will kick in, but I do know that there are key leading indicators to show that we are headed into an economic slowdown. Prudent investing would indicate it is imperative that safety margins be built into the purchase of an investment property. The safety margin is NOT there to generate profits; rather, it is what assures the preservation of capital. This is a vitally important concept in surviving as an investor, especially as we go through the contractions of the economy. Projects put forth through Maverick are encumbered with increased intermediation. Third party referrers, Sellers, PMs, and now even Maverick are participating and vying for a piece of the profit on a property sold. What then is left for the investor? I am speculating that the “fully rehabbed”, “tenanted”, and “property managed” property sold to the unwary investor, will be with WITHOUT a safety margin, likely at full retail price (a big no, no), or even at a premium. Purchasing an investment property under these conditions is unwise.

I will NOT transact further business with Maverick Investment Group.

Remember, always perform a thorough due diligence on the principals and operators of turnkey projects, PRIOR to investing in any property!

Best regards to ALL,

R. M.

[Doug Schorr]

@Raj G. Raj - thanks for sharing your experience.. I've been talking to Turnkey Property Pro about a Baltimore property, I'm trying to figure out if this is related at all to ABC Baltimore. I know Turnkey Property Pro is semi related to Maverick, different game since one is pure TK and the other is BRRR+TK but doing some due diligence before jumping in and your post is one of the few I've found about Maverick and Baltimore..

[Nick Cremonti]

@Doug Schorr

Hi Doug I had a call with Phil Alexander today regarding the Baltimore BRRR opportunity. I did not ask about ABC BALTIMORE as I didn't know anything about them at the time. Have you checked out the market and their work yet? I am just beginning my due diligence on them now and would appreciate any feedback. Thanks

[Doug Schorr]

@Nick Cremonti I opted to pass on working with them for now. Once I get that feeling I feel it’s best to just move on. Good luck!