Real Estate Broker · Coppell, TX · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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Off-market deals are really the ones you source yourself. Realtors typically and are really geared for the most part for ON market deals.
Don't get too caught up I would say with OFF market deals....really this is just a marketing term. Just means they're not on MLS. That doesn't mean they're deals.
Typical off market deal in DFW area that will be marketed to you as an OFF market deal....means it is being sent out to 1000 investors, 20-50 show up during a 2 hour period, lets say on a Friday...you put your bid in an envelope to be opened at 3pm and if you're the winner will need $5000 non-refundable deposit...no inspection or due diligence period. These are typically ugly houses that need work.
UNLESS you are the one sourcing the off market deals.....you buy the list, you call, you door knock, you call again, you send post cards, you call again, you drive for dollars, and you call again...and keep calling....and then make offers directly to the owner.
Hope that makes sense for you.....welcome to Texas...start banking plenty of cash....so you can make strong offers. There are normally several agents who respond here to posts like this in North Texas and probably most of those seems like strong investor agents....so pick one, go to their office or take them for coffee....do your interview and see what works best for you...maybe do that with 3-4-5 of them.
Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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@Sergio Orjuela whether the deal is on or off market an investor focused agent is going to know far more about the numbers than a regular agent.
Regular agents do not calculate CapEx, repairs, rents, project out cash flow and provide maintenance rehab quotes.
They are 2 completely different skill sets. Most investors focused agents promote themselves as such. They should not be hard to find. You could also reach out to a local PM company and see if they have agents on staff.
Real Estate Agent · Temple, TX · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 700 votes
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I think this question comes up often here. You can just ask the agent if they have access to off market deals and they should be honest with you- but you can get access to them yourself fairly easily. You would be okay with a traditional real estate agent if you are very familiar with the market that you are investing in and just want them to do the paperwork for you and show you properties. You can also tell them exactly what you want from them and see if they will do it. Ideally, for each property you see, they will have a comps sheet for ARV as well as an estimated market rent for the property. I think any realtor would be fine but they HAVE to be available to at least show you properties and write offers. You will lose deals if your agent is procrastinating on writing the offer. Let me know if you ever think about investing down in the Temple, TX area. I am a realtor and investor here. Thanks!
Real Estate Broker · Coppell, TX · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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Off-market deals are really the ones you source yourself. Realtors typically and are really geared for the most part for ON market deals.
Don't get too caught up I would say with OFF market deals....really this is just a marketing term. Just means they're not on MLS. That doesn't mean they're deals.
Typical off market deal in DFW area that will be marketed to you as an OFF market deal....means it is being sent out to 1000 investors, 20-50 show up during a 2 hour period, lets say on a Friday...you put your bid in an envelope to be opened at 3pm and if you're the winner will need $5000 non-refundable deposit...no inspection or due diligence period. These are typically ugly houses that need work.
UNLESS you are the one sourcing the off market deals.....you buy the list, you call, you door knock, you call again, you send post cards, you call again, you drive for dollars, and you call again...and keep calling....and then make offers directly to the owner.
Hope that makes sense for you.....welcome to Texas...start banking plenty of cash....so you can make strong offers. There are normally several agents who respond here to posts like this in North Texas and probably most of those seems like strong investor agents....so pick one, go to their office or take them for coffee....do your interview and see what works best for you...maybe do that with 3-4-5 of them.
Real Estate Agent · Central Coast, CA · Member since 2022 · 110 posts · 58 votes
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There’s also a featured agent search here on BP that provides you with investor friendly agents by zip code that have been vetted by BP! Probably a good place to start your search. Best of luck!
Real Estate Agent · Metro Detroit, MI · Member since 2018 · 612 posts · 666 votes
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@Sergio Orjuela
Ask them what % of clients they work with are investors.
There IS a big difference between a good investor agent and a traditional door opening “yes man” type agent.
A good investor agent will be able to answer your questions about investing and in return, you should be able to trust them and take their advice when pointing out a “good deal”
I wouldn’t get caught up in “off market”
The year is 2022 and it's the strongest sellers market we've ever seen….so ANY seller is going to put the house on the MLS and try to maximize. Unless* they're hiding something..in which they or a wholesaler will try to sell off market because they don't have to follow code of ethics and disclose certain issues and are more likely to be able to get away with not giving a warranty deed and etc etc I could go on….
Investment portfolios aren’t (for the most part, not referring to the investor who bought 20 Houses for $20k in 2008) built on “off market deals”
Off market deals come to the established investor who has cash and a strong reputation for closing deals and isn’t going to need a 14 day inspection period and isn’t paying financed and will need an appraisal and isn’t going to nickel and dime a seller.
Point being, if you’re trying to scale, it’s better to find a market and/or strategy that allows you to pick off deals on the open market. It’s very possible. Find a cash flowing market or do short term rentals etc.
Find the ugliest home on the market and call that listing agent.
What do you say when you call. How do you negotiate?
I’ve seen a few places on YouTube that give you step by step instructions on what to say and also have scripts offered. Just YouTube “how to negotiate off market deals or how to cold call for off market deals or distressed property”
Realtor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@Sergio Orjuela I would advise finding an investor friendly realtor. You really want someone that invests in their market themselves and understands the numbers. They should be able to determine the COC, annualized return, estimated ARV of a BRRRR, accurate rent comps and more. The valuation and market value of a multi family property differs from a single family and you want someone that understands the distinctions if you go that route. If they just represent first time single family home buyers and aren't constantly finding off market properties and reviewing deals, you'll find a better investment through someone else.
Real Estate Broker · Huntsville, AL · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 872 votes
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I would scope out your market and find the agents that have the lisitngs in the rental neighborhoods you're looking in and then ask them what kind of returns an investor could expect in that neighborhood. The agent should know which streets are good, which are bad, and what zip codes are the best performing in price to rent ratio and more. Ask them how their other clients are performing. Ask them how many rentals they own. Ask them the basic questions such as rent and after repair value. If they can't answer these questions easily then they probably aren't investor friendly.
I'm looking to purchase my first investment property in my area, North Texas, in the next few months. I can live in the property but do not have to.
My question is, how can I find and gauge weather or not an agent is investment friendly and has access to off market deals?
Would I be okay with a traditional real estate agent?
Thank you,
Sergio
There's areas on this site where realtors advertise themselves or past posts where other investors can share whom they have worked with.
Keep in mind, investor friendly or not the majority of the work will come from you. An investor friendly realtor won't be in the best position to tell you if each property is a good investment or not for you, analyze your deals, do your cash flow analysis, look up demographics and other relative statistics etc.
The best thing they can usually do is give you insight based on previous transactions, negotiate in your favor accordingly, and give you input about trends in an area.
Off market deals: if it's through your realtor it's typically a pocket listing when they're representing a seller and looking for an opportunity to be a dual agent getting a larger commission not having to split by listing. In today's market where everybody knows their home is worth something this may not be anything special for you rather more special for your realtor and the seller. Any good off market deal left to be had without you being able to pay all cash is going to take investigative work (finding distressed homes, driving for dollars, tax issues, Probate etc).
Find the ugliest home on the market and call that listing agent.
What do you say when you call. How do you negotiate?
I introduce myself, ask if it's a good time to talk, and get to the bottom of the sellers motivation. If the deal isn't right for me I ask if they have anything else coming up.
Realtor · Lubbock, TX · Member since 2017 · 35 posts · 17 votes
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Hey Sergio. Investor friendly agents don't necessarily find you all the off market deals. Those typically come from investors via direct mail, or wholesalers. If you are looking strictly for off market deals, a realtor is not going to be your best option. However, that doesn't mean to not use realtors. Realtors are looking at the market and MLS daily and will have an idea of what properties will be best for investments. They will be able to calculate numbers, what to expect in reno costs, cash flow projection, etc. Great investor friendly realtors will have experience with certain strategies and will know best how to make these strategies work within the market they are in.
Like someone else mentioned in this thread, off market doesn't mean its a good deal. You may have less competition, but the numbers still may not make sense.
Denver · Member since 2021 · 148 posts · 126 votes
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