Duplex in Houston, thoughts on the deal and on the city

Duplex in Houston, thoughts on the deal and on the city

Investor · Tarzana CA and Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 326 posts · 130 votes

I am in escrow for my first investment property in Houston TX and wanted to get thoughts on the deal...ill provide as much i can to help readers decide good or bad.

Some pre-deal info:  This is not my first investment property, i have about 12 doors across 4 properties but they are all in los angeles ...some great areas some not so great areas but thankfully they are cash flow positive.  I manage those with a local partner and he is the active maintenance part while i manage the "front office" (leases, tenant calls, background checks finding the deals managing budgets etc)

The property is in Houston.... think of it as a "C" or "D"  type of property area basically some subsidized some not in the area.  I have exp in this type of a market this is not my first investment and ive found it to be decent in the investments i have in Los Angeles. 

purchase price, 100,000

25% down say around 4.5% 30yr note

The two units are already rented  total rent combined $1325 / mo

tenants pay for utilities, landscaping, etc

Prop tax is 2.5%

insurance about 2,500 (its a flood zone so its actually two policies totaling that amount)

The inspection came back in decent shape, there is a lifetime transferable foundation work certification, and new 30 year roof put in 2015.... nothing tragic thus far.

I'm coming to around a cap rate of near 10% and a return on equity of about 16%

Numbers wise, its not a bad deal but heres where I am having reservation and here are some general thoughts on the Houston market I would love feedback from readers esp houston investors/residence

1) I dont really see how we will get large price appreciation or any price appreciation really because the areas are kind of low value low income and pricing in houston in generally the last few years grew at a very unsustainable rate.  Generally I dont like investing in an environment like that but if it stays flat to slightly down and cashflows  i can still depreciate so its not terrible.

2) oil pricing might impact investors and could create some situations where investors need to free up cash and basically have to sell properties even if its cash flow positive to raise cash.  As for cash flow homes, they are pretty difficult to come across and the multi unit market here doesn't really exist in a 2-4 unit unless its in "C" or "D" areas....this might or might not present an opportunity i am not sure.

3) Houston is a big oil and gas city and costs in general for housing here compared to the coasts are LOW while incomes the last 2-3 years have been competitive to coasts...this means a lot of discretionary income is around so there might be investors that will keep the real estate market from bottoming once they find cap rates that make sense

4) there is a huge overbuild of commercial properties in the city and ive heard that there is more commercial space coming online this year that is new sqft than the ENTIRE city of St Louis sqft total...and that doesnt even begin to factor in the several huge multi unit mixed use projects all over the city just coming online....soo the mid-upper "a" or "b" properties are probably all overpriced and will see some pressure....which is why i stuck to a "c"/"d" property because they are pretty much not adding more of

5)  This deal seems fine but if i am going to start really building this business in Houston I really need to get a better handle of what can drive this economy if it ISNT going to be oil and gas.  IF there is a pullback is this an opportunity or just the start of a falling knife ya know what i mean?  I mean population wise houston is a HUGE city...but ive never been able to find good value in it other than if a person was to buy hold as a spec...builders did well here but i am not a builder and i think they might be in a bit of pain right now...so I really dont know how to approach this city going fwd.... any investors in houston perhaps can shed some light?

Ok I know this was a long post, and im sorry, but i wanted to give some light to a market that probably a lot of people have heard about out of state and get a real local perspective of the current trends here.

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Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 191 posts · 152 votes
10y

To add some perspective, the median sales price of single family homes in Houston has not decreased year over year since the 90's, probably even before that but that's as far back as I can see. 

Also, depending on how long you plan to hold the property, I don't think equity in a duplex is as important as if the home was for 1 family. It's already a tough sale because when you try to sell it, you'll have to sell to an investor or someone willing to convert it to 1 home. In addition, they are often tough to evaluate because there likely won't be many recent sales of other duplex's in the area.  I think more emphasis should be put on cash flow which from what you said, sounds somewhat attractive on this deal.

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  • Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 191 posts · 152 votes
    10y

    To add some perspective, the median sales price of single family homes in Houston has not decreased year over year since the 90's, probably even before that but that's as far back as I can see. 

    Also, depending on how long you plan to hold the property, I don't think equity in a duplex is as important as if the home was for 1 family. It's already a tough sale because when you try to sell it, you'll have to sell to an investor or someone willing to convert it to 1 home. In addition, they are often tough to evaluate because there likely won't be many recent sales of other duplex's in the area.  I think more emphasis should be put on cash flow which from what you said, sounds somewhat attractive on this deal.

  • Investor · Tarzana CA and Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 326 posts · 130 votes
    10y

    i agree what you are saying about the 90s till say about last year, but I am finding prices decreasing in some of the trendy pockets.

    regarding the duplex, you are absolutely right i would need to find the investor as an exit strategy and I dont really look at it as anything other than a "cashflow"... im a long term buy hold investor I just want to build equity over time and dont get into a deal that isnt cashflowing significantly to a point where it makes sense for me.

    Are you strictly doing wholesale or are you actually investing as well?  I am curious on how the rental market is from the investor perspective with the recent oil downturn...

    would also love to hear any other houston investors chime in!  feedback from the ground level is the best

  • Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2013 · 471 posts · 267 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Alex J.:

    I am in escrow for my first investment property in Houston TX and wanted to get thoughts on the deal...ill provide as much i can to help readers decide good or bad.

    Some pre-deal info:  This is not my first investment property, i have about 12 doors across 4 properties but they are all in los angeles ...some great areas some not so great areas but thankfully they are cash flow positive.  I manage those with a local partner and he is the active maintenance part while i manage the "front office" (leases, tenant calls, background checks finding the deals managing budgets etc)

    The property is in Houston.... think of it as a "C" or "D"  type of property area basically some subsidized some not in the area.  I have exp in this type of a market this is not my first investment and ive found it to be decent in the investments i have in Los Angeles. 

    purchase price, 100,000

    25% down say around 4.5% 30yr note

    The two units are already rented  total rent combined $1325 / mo

    tenants pay for utilities, landscaping, etc

    Prop tax is 2.5%

    insurance about 2,500 (its a flood zone so its actually two policies totaling that amount)

    The inspection came back in decent shape, there is a lifetime transferable foundation work certification, and new 30 year roof put in 2015.... nothing tragic thus far.

    I'm coming to around a cap rate of near 10% and a return on equity of about 16%

    Numbers wise, its not a bad deal but heres where I am having reservation and here are some general thoughts on the Houston market I would love feedback from readers esp houston investors/residence

    1) I dont really see how we will get large price appreciation or any price appreciation really because the areas are kind of low value low income and pricing in houston in generally the last few years grew at a very unsustainable rate.  Generally I dont like investing in an environment like that but if it stays flat to slightly down and cashflows  i can still depreciate so its not terrible.

    2) oil pricing might impact investors and could create some situations where investors need to free up cash and basically have to sell properties even if its cash flow positive to raise cash.  As for cash flow homes, they are pretty difficult to come across and the multi unit market here doesn't really exist in a 2-4 unit unless its in "C" or "D" areas....this might or might not present an opportunity i am not sure.

    3) Houston is a big oil and gas city and costs in general for housing here compared to the coasts are LOW while incomes the last 2-3 years have been competitive to coasts...this means a lot of discretionary income is around so there might be investors that will keep the real estate market from bottoming once they find cap rates that make sense

    4) there is a huge overbuild of commercial properties in the city and ive heard that there is more commercial space coming online this year that is new sqft than the ENTIRE city of St Louis sqft total...and that doesnt even begin to factor in the several huge multi unit mixed use projects all over the city just coming online....soo the mid-upper "a" or "b" properties are probably all overpriced and will see some pressure....which is why i stuck to a "c"/"d" property because they are pretty much not adding more of

    5)  This deal seems fine but if i am going to start really building this business in Houston I really need to get a better handle of what can drive this economy if it ISNT going to be oil and gas.  IF there is a pullback is this an opportunity or just the start of a falling knife ya know what i mean?  I mean population wise houston is a HUGE city...but ive never been able to find good value in it other than if a person was to buy hold as a spec...builders did well here but i am not a builder and i think they might be in a bit of pain right now...so I really dont know how to approach this city going fwd.... any investors in houston perhaps can shed some light?

    Ok I know this was a long post, and im sorry, but i wanted to give some light to a market that probably a lot of people have heard about out of state and get a real local perspective of the current trends here.

    I own 25 doors in Houston so will offer my opinion. 

    1) Houston does not have many appreciation plays in my opinion. Prices don't move much in this market. Your best bet is to get a worse property in a better neighborhood and bring it up to standard. Going for an appreciation play like you would see in west coast markets doesn't make sense.

    2) Oil prices haven't impacted the market as much as I would have thought. Rental demand seems to go down outside the city and move inward. In the Heights I haven't seen much movement at all. Channelview where my homes are about even as well. Folks I have talked to outside the loop have seen stagnant or slight decreases.

    3) If you look at Houston real estate prices over time a huge swing is about 5%. The market is very stable and one of the more stable in the US. I don't see it bottoming out by any means.

    4) Up until this year the increase in multi had been met by an influx of folks into the city. We invest inside the loop to prevent much growth (though there is some through teardowns and what not). Inside the loop your A/B are conglomerate owned multis and condos/townhomes thrown up near city centers. I don't invest in either of these properties as they are always overpriced. We buy B to low C and try to bring up a letter more or less.

    5) When investing in a new city my best strategy is to subscribe to the online feed of the business journal and read it everyday. Learn where the growth is then review those zip codes for property. 

  • Cameron TopePro Member
    Property Manager · Katy, TX · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    Alex, I have a handful of rentals in Katy and West Houston. I personally have not seen any slowdown in the market but, I have heard other investors talk about longer DOM and softening. 

    Inventory is 3.4 months, higher than last year but still well below the national average. 

    To be honest I think the market is finally coming to an equilibrium where inexperienced or overly optimistic investors are getting burned. You can no longer price a property over market and expect to get a handful of cash offers in the first week. Now you have to price your property competitively. 

    Good luck! If you're in Houston let me know and we can get a cup of coffee. 

    All the best,

    Cam

  • Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 176 posts · 121 votes
    10y

    (1) As you mentioned, Houstion does not have appreciation. Your lucky if you match inflation. So don't count on any.

    (2) Oil is big here, but has been somewhat been tempered with medical and research industry.

    There has been some speculation going on with the building of the Exxon campus and the new grand parkway. So there has been a price jump in SFR's.

    (4) There is a huge amount of building going on in west Houston/Katy. But Houston also has huge amount of population growth. Is it over built?? That is yet to be seen.

    (5) But..... A duplex for $100k and getting $1325 in rents is good,  but depends on the area and your tolerance.

    I invest in the NW area of Houston, so anything east of the 45 is out of my comfort zone. And that area is usually more dependent on oil and gas.

    It would be useful to know the area the duplex is in. East of 45 or south of 59 is my guess. But which exact area makes the difference between renting to low income but nice people, and an area with bullets flying.

    Please take what I am saying with a grain of salt as after 8 years, I am still trying to understand all the neuances of the Houston area real estate market.

  • Investor · Tarzana CA and Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 326 posts · 130 votes
    10y

    the property is in Stafford so its pretty much a C or D investment depending on our tolerance....but as i said in los angeles I do have experience in this grade investment.   at the end of the day people are people. i have some really higher end rentals that have tenants that are a pain to deal with  and i have some low income tenants that are absolutely amazing people....even with background checks you never know what type of a tenant they will be until you deal with them

    I have lived in houston nearly 7 years now so I absolutely saw first hand the "boom" here as it was also happening everywhere else but the oil and gas rush really seemed to put fuel on the fire.

    What kind of cap rates are you houston investors seeing in the deals you are getting?  Are they off market?  I am going to see how the next few months go with the new venture here and possibly look to start scaling if I can find some places that serve for long term cash flow properties.

    At this point i am working toward my freedom number mainly for my wifes freedom lol

  • Keller, TX · Member since 2015 · 49 posts · 25 votes
    10y

    Im glad Michael said it because oil/gas is not the only market in Houston. While it is a large industry, there is lots of medical and other businesses around. I wouldnt hesitate investing in Houston. People are not flocking from major Texas cities like they are many other states. 

  • Investor · Tarzana CA and Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 326 posts · 130 votes
    10y

    thanks everybody this has been great feedback... I am looking to deploy more capital into the city maybe in the next 6 months if I can find some good opportunities so I can start scaling a little bit similar to my setup in LA.

    to those actively investing in the rental market in houston:

    how long on average have you had vacancies sit?  Its also a concern im having and trying to price into future deals... with all the oil gas movement of staff i figure some pockets like near the i10 katy area "energy corridor" have more vacancy and overbuild than others, just hard for me to find data on this with an ever changing environment 

  • Rental Property Investor · Katy, TX · Member since 2013 · 417 posts · 171 votes
    10y

    I can speak from my recent personal experience...I put a 3/2/2 on the market in the Copperfield area and had it leased in about 27 days. I did price it competitively (but not fire sale) relative to my competition so that it didn't sit 

  • Investor · Katy, TX · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    I also just put a 3/2/2 on the market in Katy at 99 and Falcon Landing.  I think it was on the market for 40 Days before I was able to rent it out.  It was priced with the market.  Good luck.

  • Eric TaitPro Member
    Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2013 · 314 posts · 146 votes
    10y

    Stafford is not a war zone area. It is a pocket between Missouri City and Sugarland, and the median incomes are 50K a year or greater.  

    As many already know, the issue with hybrid multifamily (less than 5 units) is it rents like apartments, but the valuations track single family homes (comparative market analysis).  

    Off first blush, those rents seem pretty good.  You are right to look at this as a cash flow play, but there is some development coming up off of highway 90 (south main) and that runs through Stafford. 

    As for the rental market we have 30+ active units scattered across Houston (another 97 in a major C class renovation currently) and we have not had a vacancy of longer than 2 weeks after make-ready in over 4 years. I just rented one of our SFR's off of 1960 and Kenswick in less than a week from a prospective tenant who stayed in contact with me after she missed out on another one of houses a month ago. So the rental market is still very strong.

  • Investor · Tarzana CA and Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 326 posts · 130 votes
    10y

    @erictait thats very impressive! you must keep them in great condition - i feel thats very important when making sure you have low vacancy. I think thats a great way to do it, I would like to learn more about what areas you are finding opportunity in. SFR multi family ? what are your thoughts of EAST of downtown, NOT eado but east of that like the "greater east end" pocket.

    about stafford, yea i agree, it doesnt seem to be as rough as alief even though its pretty close in proximity

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