From podcast to purchase!

From podcast to purchase!

Real Estate Investor · Hagerstown, MD · Member since 2013 · 276 posts · 107 votes

Hi BP nation! Here is my story and the numbers on my first deal since joining BP. I started looking for buy-and-hold properties back in the summer; specifically, small, multi-families. With the help of an investor friendly agent that I met at the local REIA, I purchased a duplex that needed work in a great part of the city. Some background on the neighborhood/city: most of the properties were built in the early 1900’s, approximately 60% of the residences are rentals and it is rare to find anything built after World War II.

With lead laws and the various issues that come with an “older” property, I felt a “newer” unit would fit my comfort level and criteria better for my first deal. So, I located a 2200 sq ft, 3 bed, 1.5 bath, duplex built in the mid 80’s priced at $140,000. Both units were occupied but the tenant in one side was destroying/destroyed the unit. The owner had been an accidental landlord and took a very “hands off” management approach and it was evident. Both sides had deferred maintenance and lots of need for some TLC. Long story short, we negotiated that the side with the tenants that were not taking care of their unit would receive notice that they needed to vacate (they were on a month-to-moth at this point).

After inspection, we found some minor items and a rather sizable repair issue that involved replacing some beams and rot (band board, beam, trim). Due to poor grading and drainage for the last 25 or so years, there was a negative lip abutting the front of the duplex that had to be corrected. After finding these issues and presenting them to the seller and some negotiating, I had it under contract for $86,000.

The now vacant unit received: new carpet/vinyl, cabinets, appliances, paint, interior doors(old ones were destroyed), vanities, toilets, tub surround, HVAC rehabbing and some electrical outlet upgrades. To address the drainage issue, we had to remove the existing concrete pad, re-grade, install proper drainage, replace rotten wood, re-pour concrete and install a small retaining wall.

After closing costs, holding costs, insurance, LLC formation and repairs we have about 120k in it. Do I think I over improved some things? Yes. Do I think I learned a lot for the next time? Sure did. However, for the most part, we now have a completely updated unit with the second being updated within the last 5 years.

Taking Brandon Turner's advice, I nearly doubled my repair/remodel budget and my timetable. While I was in the ballpark I thought I would spend on repairs, I was able to lease it to a qualified tenant within 60 days of closing (under my goal by 30 days). Also, I was able to raise the rent nearly 15% over what it was bringing in prior.

Now, I am in the process of refinancing, placing it into an LLC and embarking on a new phase of my education. I just received the appraisal and the documents from the bank for my 20 year commercial loan. I was able to get 80% LTV but am paying a little higher rate (fixed at 5.8% for 7 years). Now, as if Tom Sylvester was SPEAKING RIGHT TO ME in the podcast this week, my ARV was off. My calculations were based off the value as derived from the income approach (that came in at 160K); however, the sales comparison approach only values it at 125k. Like I said, most of the area is old homes; all the comps were of much older homes and in various conditions. So, instead of being able to pull all my cash out to pay my private lender, I will have about 25k in the deal. Huge set-back? No. Lesson learned? Absolutely.

All-in-all, I have a property in a great section of the city, 100% occupied, bringing in almost $1800/month. Not a home run but an outstanding education and one that is still going to leave me in the black.

I really debated about putting this out here but I have got so much from reading these forums and listening to the podcasts, I felt compelled to share. I would love to hear your thoughts, answer questions, get recommendations and/or feedback, etc. If anyone reading this is on the edge about jumping in…my only advice is to take action. It took me awhile to go from reading, learning, podcast, reading, wondering, doubting, etc, to taking the leap. Sometimes you have to learn by doing, this has done just that.

Happy Thanksgiving!

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  • Brandon TurnerPro Member
    Investor · Maui, HI · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y
    Hey Mike Webb CONGRATS! This was a great success story to hear! I love that you jumped in, took action, and learned a ton. For a first project, I think you did great - far better than my first few projects. Let us know how it goes from here on out and ask questions anytime when you run into problems!
  • Real Estate Investor · Hagerstown, MD · Member since 2013 · 276 posts · 107 votes
    12y
    Brandon Turner thanks so much! What you and Joshua Dorkin have created here is amazing. In addition to what I posted, I just wanted to let you know that the "quuuuiiiicccck tips" for Postlets advertised it (and got my tenant), my Google voice number fielded the calls annnnd now that I just finished The 4 Hour Work Week, I have a whole new thought process on moving forward. Thanks!
  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y

    @Mike Webb great job! Many people look and look and never actually make the jump. You did, and now you're going to reap the benefits and have gained valuable experience to boot!

  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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  • Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee County, WI · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 525 votes
    12y

    Midwest congrats @Mike Webb -> 100% occupied

    Ditto on Thanksgiving

  • Douglas LarsonPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Salt Lake City UT San Diego CA Daytona Beach, FL · Member since 2008 · 410 posts · 337 votes
    12y

    @Mike Webb

    You said it's not a "home run" but most successful investors have a lot of base-hits and doubles that make up the bulk of their "great success." Keep it up and you'll be retired in no time!

  • FL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 357 votes
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  • Mark S.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · KY · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 539 votes
    12y
    Mike Webb , that's awesome! Congrats, man! I'm a few steps behind you and have an offer on a property I'm hoping to get under contract. It's crazy that I'm actually at the point of taking action. Your $1,800/month, is that gross rents or cash flow? Pretty awesome numbers.
  • Mark S.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · KY · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 539 votes
    12y
    Mike Webb , how did you form your LLC - online or local attorney? Also, at what point in the process did you do this? Just read a few posts on here with conflicting advice and I need to figure this out.
  • Real Estate Investor · Hagerstown, MD · Member since 2013 · 276 posts · 107 votes
    12y
    Wow. So many responses and so hard to respond to all on my phone. Haha. Jenkins Ramon, thanks so much. Mark S. I decided to go with the LLC because I was refinancing to pay my private lender and my bank was willing to put it in a brand new LLC. No seasoning or anything. Douglas Larson, thanks so much, I never planned on home runs...I want base hits every few months. I do not expect to make millions overnight...I want to build a great portfolio over time. Thanks, Mikd
  • Specialist · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2011 · 698 posts · 629 votes
    12y

    @Mike Webb Thanks for sharing your story. As others said, it's great that you took action. Nothing happens - you are not an investor - unless you take action and invest. I appreciate your candidness about what you learned and shared some of the "warts" of your deal.

    We all learn faster when we run into issues and realize we should have done something different. I'll keep that in mind when I post some of my own stories and blog posts. I'll not be afraid to show what I did wrong so others can avoid the same mistake.

    I learned a lot from your story. Keep them coming!

  • Darren SagerPro Member
    Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    @Mike Webb that's awesome! I like how you mentioned @Brandon Turner and his advice on doubling cost and time. That happened to me when I first started out. I used to wonder why things always took twice as long to do and cost me double what I anticipated. After a few times I got much better at estimating however J. Scott's book is great so be sure to pick it up and use it as a handy reference guide for more successes going forward!

  • Real Estate Investor · Hagerstown, MD · Member since 2013 · 276 posts · 107 votes
    12y

    @Darren Sager thanks for the words of encouragement. Those two books are on my Christmas list! This has taught me to be even more aggressive in purchase negotiation and extremely confident in my ARV before moving forward. Excellent podcast, by-the-way.

    Thanks,

    Mike

  • Darren SagerPro Member
    Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    You're welcome and right back at you @Mike Webb . Thanks @Mike Webbvery much about the podcast! It was fun to do and I hope that it had some nuggets of useful information for you.

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