Need financing advice and also partnerships advice

Need financing advice and also partnerships advice

Contractor · Huntington Beach, CA · Member since 2019 · 32 posts · 29 votes

Hey BP community.  Thank you guys so much for sharing your experiences with me.  I've learned a ton of information over the past month or two here.  I wonder if you guys can shed some light on this particular situation.  Also, if anybody has architectural questions, construction, costs, etc. questions I would be more than happy to help too.

Here is the deal I am needing advice on:
The address is 3110 E Thompson St Long Beach, CA, 90805 (shows 459k zestimate on zillow)
A friend of mine owns this property with his 4 siblings.  He is 1/5th owner.  The property is owned free and clear.  His siblings are willing to sell it to him for whatever the market value is, minus 1 brother, who will be a silent partner.  Him and I are estimating the fair value at 450 which means we would have to pay his 3 siblings $90,000.00 each and then him and his brother would keep their $180,000 worth of equity in the property ($90k x 2 siblings staying in the property).

We were thinking of taking out a mortgage to pay his 3 siblings off 180k.  We're estimating the mortgage payment at around $1,300 per month for the 180k loan.  
Now here is the fun stuff. He is going to partner with me on the property and go 50-50%. Him and his brother who stayed in on the deal will have their own family agreement. He wants me to handle all of the pre-construction and construction involved to add 3 new 2bd/2bth units on the lot. There is an existing 1 bd/1bth unit already on the lot. The zoning is R-2 which means we can add one more primary and two ADU's up to 800 SF each. There is a slight chance we can convince long beach to re-zone the lot to R-3 as they just started re-zoning areas to allow for more housing. But worse case we have two primary and two ADU's totaling 7 bedrooms/7 bathrooms and roughly 3,100 SF.
I researched the rents in the area and it looks like we will be able to gross $9,200 and if we property manage it ourselves we can cash flow $6,000.00.

So the advice I'm looking for is:
1) What is the max we can take out on a mortgage since the house is paid and we only need 180k to pay off his brothers?  We are thinking taking a fixed low interest mortgage would be our best bet to finance all of the per-construction and construction costs.  I'm estimating I will need approximately 350,000 for the construction and another 20k or so in city fees.  Is there a way to borrow up to the value or the house on a mortgage?  If we can at least get close to what we need we can finance the rest through construction loans or personal financing.
2) What is the best way to partner on a deal like this? I've heard opening up a LLC and having us both 50-50 partners on the LLC is the best way. My partner would then fill out a quick claim deed signing over the title to the LLC? Is this correct?

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  • Realtor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2018 · 952 posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Jason Gettler:

    Hey BP community.  Thank you guys so much for sharing your experiences with me.  I've learned a ton of information over the past month or two here.  I wonder if you guys can shed some light on this particular situation.  Also, if anybody has architectural questions, construction, costs, etc. questions I would be more than happy to help too.

    Here is the deal I am needing advice on:
    The address is 3110 E Thompson St Long Beach, CA, 90805 (shows 459k zestimate on zillow)
    A friend of mine owns this property with his 4 siblings.  He is 1/5th owner.  The property is owned free and clear.  His siblings are willing to sell it to him for whatever the market value is, minus 1 brother, who will be a silent partner.  Him and I are estimating the fair value at 450 which means we would have to pay his 3 siblings $90,000.00 each and then him and his brother would keep their $180,000 worth of equity in the property ($90k x 2 siblings staying in the property).

    We were thinking of taking out a mortgage to pay his 3 siblings off 180k.  We're estimating the mortgage payment at around $1,300 per month for the 180k loan.  
    Now here is the fun stuff. He is going to partner with me on the property and go 50-50%. Him and his brother who stayed in on the deal will have their own family agreement. He wants me to handle all of the pre-construction and construction involved to add 3 new 2bd/2bth units on the lot. There is an existing 1 bd/1bth unit already on the lot. The zoning is R-2 which means we can add one more primary and two ADU's up to 800 SF each. There is a slight chance we can convince long beach to re-zone the lot to R-3 as they just started re-zoning areas to allow for more housing. But worse case we have two primary and two ADU's totaling 7 bedrooms/7 bathrooms and roughly 3,100 SF.
    I researched the rents in the area and it looks like we will be able to gross $9,200 and if we property manage it ourselves we can cash flow $6,000.00.

    So the advice I'm looking for is:
    1) What is the max we can take out on a mortgage since the house is paid and we only need 180k to pay off his brothers?  We are thinking taking a fixed low interest mortgage would be our best bet to finance all of the per-construction and construction costs.  I'm estimating I will need approximately 350,000 for the construction and another 20k or so in city fees.  Is there a way to borrow up to the value or the house on a mortgage?  If we can at least get close to what we need we can finance the rest through construction loans or personal financing.
    2) What is the best way to partner on a deal like this? I've heard opening up a LLC and having us both 50-50 partners on the LLC is the best way. My partner would then fill out a quick claim deed signing over the title to the LLC? Is this correct?

    Jason,

    This sounds like a really awesome opportunity!

    To answer your first question: you're likely limited to 75% or 80% of the assessed value of the property if you refinance through a traditional lender for a long-term mortgage. So assuming a $450K appraisal, you won't get more than $360K out to pay off the siblings and finance the construction.

    However, if you go with a hard-money lender, you can take a construction loan based on the after-construction value. That will significantly raise the amount you can borrow. You'll pay higher interest and it'll be a short-term loan, but the idea would be to refinance into a long-term loan as soon as construction is complete. This is probably the way to go if you're looking to finance the build; I'm happy to share some referrals with you.

    The LLC plan sounds right, too. Form an LLC (for a few hundred dollars with a lawyer) and quit claim the property into the LLC. Another simpler option is to just add you to the title as a tenant-in-common. You and your partner, as tenants-in-common, would each directly own 50% of the property. This avoids forming the LLC and paying the LA LLC tax (which is $800/year, natch!), but it exposes you and your partner to more liability as you'll be direct owners of the property.

    Best,

    Jon

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