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All Forum Posts by: Jason Gettler

Jason Gettler has started 7 posts and replied 28 times.

Post: SB9 urban lot splits in CA

Jason Gettler
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  • Contractor
  • Huntington Beach, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 29

After I finish my current project which I should finally have permits for in a few weeks, I’m going to go after one of these lot splits and I’ll share the journey.  My current project also has a lot of unknowns.  It’s a SFD zoned R-2 that I’m adding an attached dwelling to make it a legal duplex and building a 4 car garage to satisfy covered off street parking for the legal duplex.  I plan to refi the property after phase 1 and then add another 800SF to that garage and convent the 1600 SF to two 2/2 adus. So I’ll have 4 units on the lot not but two will be adus.  I’ll update how the numbers play out with that too.  At the very least I have 4 units generating around 2700 each. 

Post: SB9 urban lot splits in CA

Jason Gettler
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  • Contractor
  • Huntington Beach, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 29

@Dan H. you hit it right on the head here.  At the very least they can force the loan due...maybe if you were to have a relationship with the lender you can convince them they can refinance both properties and have your business on both parcels now.  But a lot of unknowns...

@Peter Mckernan YEP! I've found a few cities in the area that are very PRO ADU's and tend to stick with those areas. It took almost 6 months to pull permits for 3 ADU projects in the city of Orange so we have had similar experiences! Long Beach, Garden Grove and Lakewood seem to work.

Post: SB9 urban lot splits in CA

Jason Gettler
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  • Contractor
  • Huntington Beach, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 29

@Will Barnard appreciate the feedback. I'm with you on the rain barrels…they are requiring quite a few on my other duplex + 2 ADU project.

I hear yah loud and clear.  A lot of unknowns and I was just spit balling off the top of my head.  I should have mentioned I self perform a lot of the trades so that’s how I keep the cost so low.  Of course if a regular joe tried to hire a GC the going rate is 340-350 per SF not including administrative items.  

I agree with you on finding a lot that qualifies.  Since Oct. I’ve ran across maybe 3 that would work logistically even without running the numbers.  

Post: SB9 urban lot splits in CA

Jason Gettler
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  • Contractor
  • Huntington Beach, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 29
Hey BP,
Just thinking out loud here - Anybody interested in discussing a partnership to take advantage of the new SB9 law out here in CA?  I'm a GC out in Orange County and work in the city of LA as well and have discussed the urban lot split with a few cities now and all of them seem pretty straightforward.  You buy a single parcel, split it into two parcels, and are allowed a duplex on each new parcel.  This reminds me of the ADU game over here but now it's duplex's so maybe the ARV will be comparable with other duplex's in the area.  Rough numbers...
1) Purchase price $850k for 3/1 SFD on 6000 SF lot in Long Beach lets say.
2) apply for urban lot split, existing house needs to be at the front of the lot that way when we divide the lot horizontally we won't need to touch the main house at all.
3) Build a 1,600 duplex, basically two 900 side by side 2bd/2bth units.  Estimated construction cost $360,000 w/ plans, engineering, permit fees.
4) Now we have a 1,600 duplex in the newly created parcel and the original house on front parcel.

Few unknowns:
1) will the front house appraise for much less now that we took 3000SF of lot space from it?  If so, how much?
2) will the newly created duplex lot bring an ARV comparable to other duplex's in the area?  If so, Duplex's of that size and size lot sell for 800-900k all day.
3) we are in 850k for the purchase and 360k for the duplex = 1.21 mil...we can even consider adding a unit to the main dwelling to make it a duplex on both lots.  If that were the case can we get ARV's of 900k per lot?  That would be pretty insane. 

Been thinking about this since Oct. when I heard the news that the bill passed.  Maybe I'm missing something but it seems to be a homerun.  I'm probably missing something...



Post: Any advice on how to fund the construction?

Jason Gettler
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  • Contractor
  • Huntington Beach, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 29

@Michael Kinsella thank you! Do you have any advice on where to start? I was thinking of just googling “construction lenders” and the same for hard money. Calling a bunch of them until I understand what all the offers are.

Post: Any advice on how to fund the construction?

Jason Gettler
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  • Contractor
  • Huntington Beach, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 29

Thank you guys in advance for any guidance!  I posted several months ago about buying my first investment property, a 700 SF 1/1 house I was buying in Long beach that is located in a R2 zone.  We are signing the purchase agreement this weekend and will start the purchase process, 30 day escrow.

What are your thoughts for construction financing? We plan to build a 1,200 SF second primary above a 4-car garage as stage one. We will need about 300k to complete it. After that we plan to refi, pay off whatever loan we took out to pay for the construction and use proceeds to convert the 4-car garage into an ADU and add SF to the main 700 SF house.

I have access to about 100k of the 300k needed for construction of stage 1.  Do we go traditional construction loan or hard money?  Thanks again guys!

Post: First Deal - SFH in a R-2 Zone. Adding primary and ADU

Jason Gettler
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  • Contractor
  • Huntington Beach, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 29

Thank Sebastian!  I agree, I doubt I'll get the appraisal we are hoping for.  But since I need to build the 800 SF two 2-car garages to satisfy the city anyways,it's hard not to convert them as phase two just as a cash flow play.  50-60k for a unit that will rent for 1,800 per month is hard to pass on.

I'll keep you in mind if we ever need to sell lol!  Never know what life brings.  My future self will kill me if I sold three units in long beach for 800k though!

I love your idea of adding SF to the main house.  The existing house right now is a 1/1 728 SF and we plan on making it a 3/2 as well as soon as his brother moves out. 

Post: First Deal - SFH in a R-2 Zone. Adding primary and ADU

Jason Gettler
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  • Contractor
  • Huntington Beach, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 29
Hello BP community,

I've posted a couple potential deals over the last few months and I know some of you were eager to hear how they went since they were SFH with ADU adds.  We didn't pull the trigger on them because each house we went after had 20+ offers, 60%+ were cash offers and averaged 30-50k above asking price.  The increased price removed most of the value I was going to bring to the table building at cost, being a contractor and all.
It's a long story but I found an off market deal with a customer of mine who happens to own a single family home on a property zones R-2-N.  The lot is 10,000 SF in North Long Beach and the existing house is 728 SF 1bed/1bath with a detached garage which is in terrible shape.  The existing house is located towards the front of the property. The plan is to demo the existing garage and build a 800 SF garage with an 1,100 SF 3bed/2 bath second primary unit on top towards the rear of the property.  We need to maintain a 20' setback to the rear so that's where it will be placed.  Since we're building a second primary and removing the existing garage we must provide a two car garage for each primary. 
The numbers:
We are purchasing the property for $240,000.00.  My business partners siblings technically own the house but the proceeds are to be divided between the 5 siblings once sold.  My business partner is leaving him and his brothers equity share in the deal so the purchase price is lower for us.  My business partner still owns $160,000.00 of equity in this deal before I see a profit since he's leaving his profit in the deal for now so the numbers work out better for us when getting the loans. Technically we should have purchase the house at $400,000.00.   I hope that makes sense.  He takes care of his brother which is why he's able to leave his brothers share too.

So back to the numbers...
Purchase price $240,000.00
Construction cost for two 2-car garages - $50,000.00
Driveway - $15,000.00
Upgrade to existing systems - $10,000.00
Construction cost for 1,100 SF second primary - $101,00.00
Finishes material cost for 1,100 SF second primary - $30,000.00
Pre-Construction costs (plans, engineering, city fees) - $17,000.00
Total - $463,000.00

Part two:
We plan on converting the garages into a 2bed/2bath 800 SF ADU as part two of the project.  We would have loved to do everything all at once but the city is requiring us to provide the garages for the two primary's first in order to satisfy that code.  Once they are existing we can then convert them into an ADU.  Since the garages will already be build with the ADU in mind it won't take much to convert them.  We plan on already running all the dedicated gas lines, water, sewer and capping them as part of the first project.  We are budgeting another $50,000.00 for the garage conversion and another $5,000 in city fees.   We'll already have the plans and engineering ready as part of the first project.
So the new total is $463,000.00 + $50,000.00 + $5,000.00 = $518,000.00

Although we have worked on a ton of ADU's in residential for other homeowners, we have no experience in adding additional primary residences in a R-2-N zones.  We know unexpected stuff will come up like street improvements, grading, Misc. items the inspector will request during construction that normally wouldn't come up with R-1 type jobs.  I'll keep you guys posted on all of that.  Also, we haven't budgeted yet for landscape, appliances, hardscape other than concrete driveways, etc.  So that will be added as we go.

The goal would be to get an appraisal at 800k+.  Other duplex's in the area have sold for 750-800k and ours will be by far the best in the neighborhood.  Also ours will have a 800 SF ADU with the duplex.  We hope they give us a price per SF on the ADU appraisal but are prepared for the worse.  We believe this property is a great guinea pig for the ADU add as there is so much value being added with the second primary that it leaves a ton of room in case the ADU doesn't get the appraisal we need.  Another reason why it works is because we have to build the two 2-car garages anyways.  So why not add the 800 SF ADU for another 55k'ish?  Our plan is to get an appraisal pre-ADU and post-ADU and share that information with you guys.  My partner will take half his equity share (80k) first and then we plan on using whats left as a down payment for another property.  My partner is leaving his brothers half in and we use that to cover his brothers rent as he lives in the primary house.  Unfortunately his brother has stage 4 cancer which is the reason we are leaving the 1bed/1bath 728 SF primary alone.  Im only mentioning it since I'm sure some of you are wondering why we don't add square footage to it when we're building the second unit.

We're in the middle of refinancing another property now to get the downpayment money for this project. We have about 20 days until we close and I'm told we should close on the new property about 2-3 weeks after (David Greene introduced me to his team and we're working with Christian on the refinance and loan for the new property).  I'll post every so often with an update.  Feel free to ask any questions!  By the way I'm 33 and don't know **** about investing or real estate.  I've listened to the BP podcasts and read a few books but that's it.  I do know construction though and owning properties has always been my number one goal.  I'm roughly 4 years into owning my construction company and finally feel like it's time to take the next step.  Shout out to John S and Justin R from BP.  John is great at running numbers and finding deals and Justin gave me some great advice on multifamily with ADU adds.

Post: Why you shouldn't build a Jr. ADU in California

Jason Gettler
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  • Contractor
  • Huntington Beach, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 29

Little late to the thread but running into the issues now with OO for a JADU in Long Beach. If you go to the bottom and click "zoning policy" a pdf will download with all of the requirements. Although the plan checkers in Long Beach need to study the code a little more, the requirements are pretty straight forward. Had a plan checker tell me I can build 2 ADU's on a R-2 zone since it's multifamily. Turns out a duplex is considered a single family when it comes to ADU's. So we can only build one ADU and a JADU if I plan to live there.

http://www.longbeach.gov/lbds/...

Post: What size multifamily can you buy for $1MM in your market?

Jason Gettler
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  • Contractor
  • Huntington Beach, CA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 29

@Brian Garrett

It might buy a 1 bd/bth shack here in Southern California