How Should I Use Loan From Parent? BRRRR vsLive-In Flip vs.Rental

How Should I Use Loan From Parent? BRRRR vsLive-In Flip vs.Rental

Developer · Member since 2021 · 6 posts · 1 vote

Hey Everyone - My girlfriend and I live in Orange County, CA and are 25 and 24, respectively. For work she does tech recruiting and works remotely, while I work as a project manager for a custom home, design-build company, based in Los Angeles. Though I love what I do for work and see myself remaining in the industry long term, we are passionate about achieving financial freedom and understand the opportunity available through real estate, to accomplish this. That being said, with our lack of experience and the state of the current market, both nationally, and especially here in California, we are suffering from analysis paralysis and instead doing nothing. 

We're familiar with various strategies available: BRRRR, House Hacking, Live-In Flip, etc. However, we aren't quite sure which direction to head down. Due to my familiarity with construction, we are leaning towards BRRRR or a Live-In Flip, but based on our financing scenario, we are seeking advice from the BP community.
 
On one hand, though we make decent income combined, we are not in a place where we are able to invest our own capital in such an expensive market here in California. On the other hand, we feel uncomfortable trying to manage the tasks necessary in long-distance investing, in our first deal. Our ace in the hole, however, is that we have parents that are capable and willing to serve as a hard-money lender of sorts and give us extremely favorable rates. Though this is obviously an enormous benefit to us, we want to ensure we are maximizing the opportunity for both parties involved and is where we are stuck on which strategy to employ. 

To the seasoned investors out there: with our experience and familiarity in the construction industry and the opportunity to receive financial backing from a parent, what are strategies we should be looking at? How should I be running these numbers to present to said investor? If going the BRRRR route, what are things to beware of? Are there other strategies I am not looking at?

Ultimately,  our goal is to maximize the capital for both parties involved and hopefully use this initial investment to accomplish 2 things: 

1. Get in the game and create some equity or immediate capital (hopefully both) 

2. Prove to our investor (parent) that we have identified a strategy or set of different strategies that we know how to execute on to make ourselves money as well as them. 

Any guidance, tips, suggestions, potential mentorships, etc. would be greatly appreciated and I look forward to hearing from this amazing community!

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Realtor · Los Angeles County / Orange County · Member since 2021 · 26 posts · 17 votes
4y

Hi @Khaleel Jenkins

I think these are all wonderful questions and the beauty is that you have many options to choose from and locations for that matter. I personally always recommend to try to do something closer to home before jumping to long distance as it becomes easier to manage but you can definitely do long distance if you have the right systems and teams in place.

For myself personally, it comes down to how much I can afford for a down payment and that determines which route I go. If I go through the BRRRR process I need to have about 20% or 25% down and expect to pull that money back out, now you can get private money or HML to go help with that but this is probably the precursor for just starting is the amount of initial capital

For Househacking, you can get a property for a lower down payment and offset higher mortgage and taxes with roommates, etc. 

If you have friends that would want to rent with you during the process, you can try to house hack into into a fix and flip where you buy a property and do a rehab that first year and eventually you can decide if you want to BRRRR it back or sell it as a flip, in my opinion it comes down to what makes sense for what you are trying to do. The beauty of a BRRRR or a flip is that you still have to analyze the numbers for both scenarios and can decide at the end if you want to retain it as a rental or flip the property. The key is to just find the deal (and of course financing on the purchase and the refi).


I would focus your efforts on just finding the deal and then deciding which method to go forth thereafter.

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  • Realtor · Los Angeles County / Orange County · Member since 2021 · 26 posts · 17 votes
    4y

    Hi @Khaleel Jenkins

    I think these are all wonderful questions and the beauty is that you have many options to choose from and locations for that matter. I personally always recommend to try to do something closer to home before jumping to long distance as it becomes easier to manage but you can definitely do long distance if you have the right systems and teams in place.

    For myself personally, it comes down to how much I can afford for a down payment and that determines which route I go. If I go through the BRRRR process I need to have about 20% or 25% down and expect to pull that money back out, now you can get private money or HML to go help with that but this is probably the precursor for just starting is the amount of initial capital

    For Househacking, you can get a property for a lower down payment and offset higher mortgage and taxes with roommates, etc. 

    If you have friends that would want to rent with you during the process, you can try to house hack into into a fix and flip where you buy a property and do a rehab that first year and eventually you can decide if you want to BRRRR it back or sell it as a flip, in my opinion it comes down to what makes sense for what you are trying to do. The beauty of a BRRRR or a flip is that you still have to analyze the numbers for both scenarios and can decide at the end if you want to retain it as a rental or flip the property. The key is to just find the deal (and of course financing on the purchase and the refi).


    I would focus your efforts on just finding the deal and then deciding which method to go forth thereafter.

  • Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 218 posts · 111 votes
    4y

    I agree with your choices. I'd do a BRRRR or a live-in flip. Or even a regular fix and flip. Without the hard money high interest rate and time constraints breathing down your neck (since your parents are the lenders) you can pay a lil more for the house, cherry pick them etc...

    Good luck.

  • Joe HomsBusiness Member
    Flipper · Mission Viejo, CA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    @Khaleel Jenkins I would look into a "live-in" flip for several reasons.  

    1.  You should focus on purchasing a "distressed property" since it sounds like you have the skills to fix it.

    2.  Then you think about "house hacking" if you are willing to live with some roomates.

    3. Hold on to it for two years and then decide if you want to sell (and pay no capital gains), or BRRRR it and start the process all over.

    Good Investing...

  • Developer · Member since 2021 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    4y
    Quote from @Wilson Phu Bang:

    Hi @Khaleel Jenkins

    I think these are all wonderful questions and the beauty is that you have many options to choose from and locations for that matter. I personally always recommend to try to do something closer to home before jumping to long distance as it becomes easier to manage but you can definitely do long distance if you have the right systems and teams in place.

    For myself personally, it comes down to how much I can afford for a down payment and that determines which route I go. If I go through the BRRRR process I need to have about 20% or 25% down and expect to pull that money back out, now you can get private money or HML to go help with that but this is probably the precursor for just starting is the amount of initial capital

    For Househacking, you can get a property for a lower down payment and offset higher mortgage and taxes with roommates, etc. 

    If you have friends that would want to rent with you during the process, you can try to house hack into into a fix and flip where you buy a property and do a rehab that first year and eventually you can decide if you want to BRRRR it back or sell it as a flip, in my opinion it comes down to what makes sense for what you are trying to do. The beauty of a BRRRR or a flip is that you still have to analyze the numbers for both scenarios and can decide at the end if you want to retain it as a rental or flip the property. The key is to just find the deal (and of course financing on the purchase and the refi).


    I would focus your efforts on just finding the deal and then deciding which method to go forth thereafter.


     Hey Wilson, this is great insight! I appreciate it!

  • Developer · Member since 2021 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    4y
    Quote from @Renee Harris:

    I agree with your choices. I'd do a BRRRR or a live-in flip. Or even a regular fix and flip. Without the hard money high interest rate and time constraints breathing down your neck (since your parents are the lenders) you can pay a lil more for the house, cherry pick them etc...

    Good luck.


     Hey Renee, thanks a lot! Yes I was thinking the same way in terms of not having time constraints. I'm hesitant towards flipping, just because that's more of a hands on day to day job that I'm not sure I quite have the time for just yet. Also, not too big a fan of the tax implications that come along with short term flipping, especially when I have a relatively high income from my primary job. Ultimately, would love to do my own new construction and flips down the road, when I've built more experience with my company. 


    Nonetheless, thanks very much, I appreciate you!  

  • Developer · Member since 2021 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    4y
    Quote from @Joe Homs:

    @Khaleel Jenkins I would look into a "live-in" flip for several reasons.  

    1.  You should focus on purchasing a "distressed property" since it sounds like you have the skills to fix it.

    2.  Then you think about "house hacking" if you are willing to live with some roomates.

    3. Hold on to it for two years and then decide if you want to sell (and pay no capital gains), or BRRRR it and start the process all over.

    Good Investing...


    Hey Joe, this is exactly what I was looking at. I suppose you're right, in terms of making the decision to either flip or BRRRR when that time comes, but in the meantime just get in the deal and run the numbers for both scenarios, to make sure we're covered in any market. That said, any spreadsheets or tools you could share that could help me run the numbers for a BRRRR or a flip?

    Thanks for the response!

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