Shopping for Hard Money Lenders

Shopping for Hard Money Lenders

Attorney/Homeowner · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 2 votes

I am ready to take the leap on my first flip here in Chicago.  Long story short, it seems that a hard money lender is my most accessible route to finance the purchase and rehab.  I have done some but not a ton of loan shopping yet, and I am trying to determine if making a lot of calls to different hard money lenders is a necessary process,  

I recently had a lengthy conversation with a representative of an HML that does quite a bit of lending in my area. The conversation was not about a particular property, but just about the process in general. The conversation was frank and informative, and it actually caused me to reassess my purchase price and general scope of work (don't bite off more than I can chew on the first one) and as a result it changed my criteria and farm area, which I am happy about.

This particular HML quoted 3 points and 13% on a 9 month loan plus a $1250.00 origination fee and 20% down. From what I recall in reading posts on this site as well as a number of flipping related books, I wasn't shocked by this, but it is still really expensive money. So my question is this: this par for a course for a HML lending to a first time flipper, or should I be doing a lot more shopping.

Any help/thoughts are appreciated.

Evan

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
9y

@Bob Green  contact Bob Green I think he can help you

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    @Bob Green  contact Bob Green I think he can help you

  • Chris MasonPro Member
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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Evan Hughes:

    I am ready to take the leap on my first flip here in Chicago.  Long story short, it seems that a hard money lender is my most accessible route to finance the purchase and rehab.  I have done some but not a ton of loan shopping yet, and I am trying to determine if making a lot of calls to different hard money lenders is a necessary process,  

    I recently had a lengthy conversation with a representative of an HML that does quite a bit of lending in my area. The conversation was not about a particular property, but just about the process in general. The conversation was frank and informative, and it actually caused me to reassess my purchase price and general scope of work (don't bite off more than I can chew on the first one) and as a result it changed my criteria and farm area, which I am happy about.

    This particular HML quoted 3 points and 13% on a 9 month loan plus a $1250.00 origination fee and 20% down. From what I recall in reading posts on this site as well as a number of flipping related books, I wasn't shocked by this, but it is still really expensive money. So my question is this: this par for a course for a HML lending to a first time flipper, or should I be doing a lot more shopping.

    Any help/thoughts are appreciated.

    Evan

     Only 20% down and you're a first time flipper? 

    I've literally never refinanced a first-time flipper(1) out of hard money, where the HML only wanted 20% down... and it was a first-time flipper. If you were in my market, I'd be asking you for his contact info right now so I could have him mail me a stack of business cards.

    (1) This comes up because X% of the time, the flipper goes "ya know, I did such a good job on this house that I think I'll keep it and roll with BRRRR."

  • Lender · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2011 · 57 posts · 39 votes
    9y

    @Evan Hughes It sounds like you got some good advice from your HML in Chicago. Anytime a lender is willing to also provide you with guidance rather than just loans you are probably dealing with someone legitimate.

    I think the 13% and 3 point offer is reasonable in your market.  We would being doing an 85% LTC deal at 11-12% and 4 points so it's pretty close.  

    Keep up the good work doing your due diligence not only on your investments but on building your power team.  That's the key to success in the business.  

  • Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes
    9y

    @Jay Hinrichs - Thanks for the mention my friend.

    @Evan Hughes - I'm happy to assist.  Please  reach out at your earliest convenience.

  • Attorney/Homeowner · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    Thanks to all for the replies.  They were very informative.  @Bob Green - will do.

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