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Eddie Werner
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Furnace only works when filter is removed

Eddie Werner
  • Property Manager
  • Pittsburgh, PA
Posted Jan 8 2015, 11:03

A tenant informed me the property will not heat above 58 degrees.  The furnace is on but nothing is happening.  Initially we thought it was the thermostat but that checked out.  The filter was dirty but not horrible.  Upon removing the filter the furnace started operating properly.  Putting a new filter in did not fix it either.  Not sure if it has to do with the air flow, type of filter, etc.  Has anyone encountered this?  I have a professional coming to look at it but want to compare that with what I may hear from you.

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Arlan Potter
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Arlan Potter
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Replied Jan 8 2015, 11:12

It makes no sense. Unless there is some sort of air flow sensor. No air flow, no worky.

It could be that the fan is so dirty that air flow is already restricted and when the filter is in the air is not moving

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Mike M.
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Mike M.
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Replied Jan 8 2015, 11:24

Could there be a low suction pressure switch or a differential pressure switch across the filter? If so perhaps there's a malfunction. I wouldn't have a clue as to why there would be such instrumentation in a residential application.

I'd like to hear the resolution!

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Jolene Perry
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Jolene Perry
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Replied Jan 8 2015, 12:02

I have had this happen three times at my personal house. The first time we placed a service call and the technician said it was from the particular filter we had in the unit. We had used a pretty high filter and he said that the higher they are the worse they can be for the furnace and air flow. We started using lower filters and it worked fine, but when trying to pick out the filters later on, since they vary by place purchased (i.e. Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart) we ended up with the same issue two more times. The last time was just this past weekend and we went with a Rhem FPR 4 from Home Depot and it has worked fine ever since. Seems odd that the companies make filters that work TOO GOOD for a furnace...

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Matthew Paul#2 Contractors Contributor
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Replied Jan 8 2015, 12:03

What type of furnace , gas , oil  , propane or heat pump ?

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Eddie Werner
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Eddie Werner
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Replied Jan 8 2015, 12:30

Thanks for the responses so far.  It is a gas furnace.  Its looking more and more like I should just put a wire mesh screen as a filter since buying what is supposed to be "good" (reduces allergens, dust, etc) just causes more harm.

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Ryan R.
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Ryan R.
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Replied Jan 8 2015, 12:59

I'm not too familiar with furnaces but I had a similar issue with a heat-pump system. 

Everything seemed to be working except the air handler would not cycle and blow air. 

"VERY CAREFULLY" you can try spinning the fan motor with your hand to start it up. This requires taking the cover off your unit if you know how to do that. You have to spin it in the correct direction so try both ways if you are unsure. If the fan motor starts spinning, then it is a bad capacitor. 

The capacitor stores energy and helps supply enough power when the fan is called to engage. With the filter in, there may not be enough power for the fan to start, where as with the filter removed it doesnt require as much energy and it is starting. 

An indication of a failed capacitor is it will be bulged out on the sides. They are around $20 for a new one. The Capacitor is normally right near the fan motor and wires will run from it to the motor. 

Here is an example. The little square box with wires is the Cap. 

*As with any electrical repair, make sure you cut power at the panel before replacing the capactor. 

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Scott Justason
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Scott Justason
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Replied Jan 8 2015, 13:12

Arlen is probably the closest to correct. You have air flow issues. I am an HVAC tech. You need pull the blower out and clean the assembly. The key is putting it back correctly. If that doesn't do it you may have gas pressure issues. If you don't know what your doing there, you better call a tech. $100 well spent and safe. If the fan is not coming up to full speed it could just be a $20 capacitor.

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Ryan Arth
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Ryan Arth
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Replied Jan 8 2015, 13:57

I had the same issue on one recently. The filter was very high density (you couldn't see any light through it). It looked like cloth. We put one of the rinse-able mesh filters in and that was that. 

FYI, the tech discerned this while I was standing there. There was nothing else wrong with the unit.

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Craig Wilcox
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Craig Wilcox
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Replied Jan 9 2015, 12:52

As a side note: I only use the cheaper filters in my furnaces. I have 3 HVAC experts in the family and they each have told me that the "premium" or "allergen" filters are hard on the furnace and will reduce its life.

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Eddie Werner
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Eddie Werner
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Replied Jan 12 2015, 12:53

Resolution Update

My tech informed me they found the owners manual to the furnace sucked up into the blower compartment causing the airflow problems.  Who would have thought?!?!

Thanks for the responses.  From what I learned I think I am going cheap filters all the way to not strain the fan.  Amazon seemed to have the best prices....under $20 for 12 filters...not too bad.

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Colleen F.
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Colleen F.
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Replied Jan 12 2015, 13:18

That gave me a good laugh.  I am sure the bill wasn't funny but we live and learn.

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Tom Fields
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Tom Fields
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Replied Jan 13 2015, 05:24

funny. Glad it was a simple fix. Had a similiar problem with AC not cooling.

My tenant had replaced the filter, which was due for a change, a cheapie brand. The fix was to flip the filter around...so the little arrows align with the air flow.

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Ryan M.
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Ryan M.
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Replied Jan 14 2015, 10:11

We use $0.64 filters primary goal is to avoid clogging the A/C coil.

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Craig Wilcox
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Replied Jan 22 2015, 16:35
Originally posted by @Eddie Werner:

Resolution Update

Thanks for the update.  It is always nice to hear how things turned out.