Converting two family to three family?

Converting two family to three family?

Steve SchulmanBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2019 · 72 posts · 49 votes

What’s up everyone - Part time investor coming out of Bayonne, NJ. First post here as I am fairly new to BP! Looking for some advice and good insight.

I recently put a 2FAM under contract with the sole purpose to convert to a legal 3FAM. The property has two units with 3BR & 2 full baths each on the second and third floor—as well as an owners duplex with 2 BR 1 full bath and a half kitchen on the first floor behind the garage. With the 2BR as its own legal unit, conservatively I can get 1100 from the first level and 2200 and 2300 from the other two 3BR. If I cannot, I would be stuck with a 3BR and a 5BR… This of course is not as enticing since I will be missing out at least 800 per month in extra rent, let alone am unsure how much demand there even is for 5br in my market or what it could truly rent for.

Moving forward, I checked with the city and reviewed the ordinances for the zoning of the property and it is in fact possible to turn into a 3fam dwelling. However, only as long as parking permits. When I checked the city code I found out that I will need a total of 5 spots to legally proceed here. Since the property only has a garage and 1 additional carport, I will have to hire an architect, basically shuffle money around and have him or her draw up a report to see if it’s feasible or not to add these extra spot. Clearly, it isn’t— if anything I may be able to squeeze a 3rd spot in the carport, but I believe that’s unlikely since there are car stacking limits. All in all, I was advised I will have to take the architects write up, hire a lawyer and apply for a code variance with the city. After doing my due diligence, I found out this can take anywhere from 6 months to a year, and cost anywhere from $10,000-15,000 (architect/lawyer expenses, survey, notices, mailing, escrow, application and legal fees, etc.) All of this to potentially get turned down and be stuck as-is with the 2FAM

That said, I based my offer off the 3FAM projected income— if the property can be legally be converted I will see a strong ROI even with the mentioned expenses, but if not I will be putting myself in a hole. I am hoping to get promising feedback so I feel confident rolling the dice and taking a chance with the conversion, but that does not seem to be the case. I was informed by a couple attorneys it is not out of the question but it is a long shot. They have been in front of hearings and as of right now, said it not likely the city will approve this for numerous reasons. One, since there are already numerous apartment complexes being put up in the area, the city is very dense with parking and residents are getting fed up. Two there are numerous applications for variances like this already being requested, and three the fact that it is a newer property doesn't help my case…

Knowing this - I advised my agent our goal right now is to keep the contract open as long as possible without putting ourselves in a position to forfeit earnest money deposit, so we can look further into the variance and confirm if it is in fact likely or not/worth taking the shot, before we back out. Plan B would be to try and negotiate the price down, ask for a seller concession, ask for all appliances, basically everything we can get before we back out, in order to make the investment as a 2FAM worthwhile. Plan C would be to look for some creative financing as this would be a perfect situation to do a Lease Option in if they would consider it...

I am hoping anyone on BP has solid input or any recommendation here. Maybe someone familiar with variances and or someone on the ground-floor in the area? Thank you for taking the time to read this, your input is appreciated.

Steve

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Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2013 · 129 posts · 122 votes
6y

@Steven Schulman

Consider the following factors to see if converting to 3 family will be worth it.

1) property insurance is much higher for 3 family property (could be as much as $200/mo more)

2) property taxes will likely go up

3) 3 family properties in NJ must be registered with the state and be inspected every 5 yrs (not 2 family)

4) check Bayonne’s rent control laws. In many areas rent control kicks in a 3 family ( while no rent control for 2 family)

I own a 3 family in Hudson county and I wish I had known the above before buying.

Also, I think the market for 3 family homes reflects the above. Ie: the listing/ sale price of 3 families are less than what you would think considering there is a whole other unit when compared to 2 family homes.

So IMHO, if you want to own a 3 family, you may be better off buying a 3 family, than trying to convert a 2 fam.

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  • Peter TverdovBusiness Member
    Developer · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    Why not see if you can put it under contract conditional on getting approval from the town? It's expensive to get variances, I have done it before myself. It's also very stressful.

    The other idea would be to buy at a price that works for you if it stays a 2FH. Then if you get it to a 3FH it's icing on top.

  • Rental Property Investor · Long Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 490 posts · 301 votes
    6y

    @Steven Schulman A local architect can tell you how feasible the plan is in the first place and you’d be able to proceed accordingly after a quick phone call. I was considering converting a 2 family I had into a 3 family as well and after a quick call decided it wasn’t really feasible for the area or at least for that particular property. So an experienced architect can advise you pretty quickly as to what to do. Also as someone with experience in the areas I can tell you that 5 bedrooms apartments (id say even 4 bedrooms) are kind of a waste as there isn’t a huge market for such big units and if anyone who would rent that unit probably has a lot of kids or relatives living with them that will be tough on the place. That being said a property with that kind of layout can make an excellent flip so consider that as an exit strategy as well.

  • Architect · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 16 posts · 16 votes
    6y

    @Steven Schulman though I am not familiar with the local zoning regulations, parking runs the show. If you can’t park the cars as required by the zoning code it’s going to be a hard sell for the zoning board of appeals.

  • Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2013 · 129 posts · 122 votes
    6y

    @Steven Schulman

    Consider the following factors to see if converting to 3 family will be worth it.

    1) property insurance is much higher for 3 family property (could be as much as $200/mo more)

    2) property taxes will likely go up

    3) 3 family properties in NJ must be registered with the state and be inspected every 5 yrs (not 2 family)

    4) check Bayonne’s rent control laws. In many areas rent control kicks in a 3 family ( while no rent control for 2 family)

    I own a 3 family in Hudson county and I wish I had known the above before buying.

    Also, I think the market for 3 family homes reflects the above. Ie: the listing/ sale price of 3 families are less than what you would think considering there is a whole other unit when compared to 2 family homes.

    So IMHO, if you want to own a 3 family, you may be better off buying a 3 family, than trying to convert a 2 fam.

  • Steve SchulmanBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2019 · 72 posts · 49 votes
    6y

    So I spoke with a few Architects and Lawyers who were familiar with zoning & planning in the area, and concluded it is not worth taking the chance on. Therefore, I decided to back out of the contract. Although, I would have liked to hear the conversion and variance was feasible/promising, it's better to get turned down now rather then on the back end after I stuck my money in an asset that will only leave me in the red. 

    @Allan Szlafrok exactly what I did TY. Noted on the 5BR-- I agree it would be a tough sell, it seems once a family grows big enough to accommodate such a layout more times then none they would lean towards buying instead of renting...

    @Peter Tverdov in this hot Bayonne market, unfortunately I was unable to negotiate anywhere close to where I needed to be.

    @Aaron Schump you are correct sir as it seems to be the case.

    @Mala S. I was familiar with seeing a premium in property insurance and taxes however, was not thinking much about rent control which was.

    Thanks for the input guys.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Northern NJ · Member since 2016 · 341 posts · 144 votes
    6y

    @Steven Schulman feel free to reach out, I’ll try to shed some light, I am quiet familiar with Bayonne.

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