Need some advice as a first time buyer (rental property)

Need some advice as a first time buyer (rental property)

Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 5 votes

Hi everyone,

I'm brand new on this forum. I've been in the US for a bit more than a year now (on a work visa).

I'm interested in buying my first rental, out of state as my current state is CA (and I don't have 500k in cash lol). I'm interested in SFH/Small Apartments/Condo mainly. Duplex why not if it's in a cheaper area. I would say the range for this investment would ideally be between 100 and 200k. I can afford a 20% downpayment for that range. The strategy would be to buy and hold, and ideally have a bit of cash flow from the beginning or worst case scenario, break even. Including taxes, HOA, insurances and especially a property manager cost as I have to make that investment fully passive (no active income allowed in my situation).

I have experience in rental in my home country but as there are many differences (both financial and cultural) I just see myself with that project here as a newbie. I watched and read a ton of things, including a lot from Bigger Pockets, to get familiar with all the ins and outs of the real estate market in the US. I'm currently doing some researches to find which cities could fulfill my strategy, expectations and budget (recommendations are more than welcome :)).

I still have a few areas where I'm not exactly sure:

- first one is taxes for out of state. As mentioned I live in CA. If I buy in another state XX, will I pay all the potential taxes for that investment in that XX state based on its state rules, or in CA based on CA rules, or potentially both / a mix of both?

- second one is about pre-approvals. I understand that it is the best way to have a guarantee while prospecting and to make reliable offers. Though for my understanding it will require credit pulls, which impact negatively the Credit Score (which is already challenging to maintain as a foreigner) so I'm not sure when is the best time to do so.

Is it better to do it as soon as possible to have it (but then if it takes weeks or even months before actually buying, will it require to do another pull at that time for the actual mortgage)?

Or to wait until I have a better idea of the city, property size/type/price and do that at that time to be more accurate with the budget?

And in the case it would be better sooner than later, is it better to ask for approval for an amount close to the budget (for instance pre-approval for 200k if the range is 150/200k) or to the highest possible to have as much margin as possible (for instance 400k pre-approval even if the target are around 200k)?

All pieces of advice and recommendations are welcome, especially people who already succeeded in a similar path and being non citizen / non permanent resident (yet).

Looking forward to read you, start my journey, then share my experiences.

Thanks!

Nick

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Rental Property Investor · Harker Heights, TX · Member since 2018 · 212 posts · 182 votes
7y

Welcome to BP @Nicolas Escoffier!

1) Taxes - You'll generally pay income taxes based on the state you are a resident of. If you form an LLC (or any "pass through" entity) out of state it is still based on state residency.

2) Pre-approvals are considered soft hits on your credit score and are usually only good for 90 days. No need to rush out and get one. They also have a lower impact on your score. Once you have a pre-approval and find a deal the lender will pull a full credit report (hard inquiry). 

I’d wait on the pre-approval until you get further along.

Texas, the Carolinas, Kentucky, and many other places are good for finding deals. 

I am not sure how being here on a work visa impacts all of this but it shouldn’t be a problem. 

Feel free to reach out if you have any additional questions or just tag me in the forum using the “@“ symbol. 

Good luck!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Harker Heights, TX · Member since 2018 · 212 posts · 182 votes
    7y

    Welcome to BP @Nicolas Escoffier!

    1) Taxes - You'll generally pay income taxes based on the state you are a resident of. If you form an LLC (or any "pass through" entity) out of state it is still based on state residency.

    2) Pre-approvals are considered soft hits on your credit score and are usually only good for 90 days. No need to rush out and get one. They also have a lower impact on your score. Once you have a pre-approval and find a deal the lender will pull a full credit report (hard inquiry). 

    I’d wait on the pre-approval until you get further along.

    Texas, the Carolinas, Kentucky, and many other places are good for finding deals. 

    I am not sure how being here on a work visa impacts all of this but it shouldn’t be a problem. 

    Feel free to reach out if you have any additional questions or just tag me in the forum using the “@“ symbol. 

    Good luck!

  • Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    Thx @Allan Bishop Jr. Really appreciated.

    - For the taxes, you mean only income taxes or also property taxes? If I stay in CA and buy in TX for example as you suggest. Assume I rent it. And some day maybe sell it. Wich taxes in all those steps are supposed to be payed and to who (federal, CA, TX)?

    - For the pre-approvals, everything I found so far is saying that it requires a hard pull. Seems like you know a way around that? Or lenders that would do it only based on a soft pull?

    Thx!

    Nick

  • Rental Property Investor · Harker Heights, TX · Member since 2018 · 212 posts · 182 votes
    7y

    @Nicolas Escoffier

    I did mean income taxes yes. Property taxes would be paid to whatever county the property is in regardless of where you live.

    If you sell it you will probably pay capital gains tax but that is a tax consultant question. Texas does not have a real estate sales tax.

    Regarding hard and soft inquires that is just based off my experience.

  • Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Allan Bishop Jr. Awesome. Very helpful. Thanks!

  • Real Estate Agent · El Paso, TX · Member since 2016 · 35 posts · 11 votes
    7y

    Hello Nicolas, 

    I know you do a lot of reading and research on your own time. I would like for you to look into El Paso, Texas and if it's a city you feel you'd like to make an investment in then reach out to me and I'll get you the details! 

  • Rental Property Investor · TN · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    When you are getting preapproval for  loan, you will need to find a lender that will loan to a foreigner, even if you are in the US legally.  Some loans are very different in the requirements if the person getting the loan is not a US citizen, so shop around early to find out which loans you can qualify to get.

  • Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    Hi @Rudy Munoz,

    Sure why not. Let's discuss that. Thx!

  • Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Lynnette E. That's a very good point. I thought about it too. I'm currently in touch with several of the US banks I have accounts / cards with. And a mortgage broker. So far no hard no and the discussions are going on. I'll wait until I have some answers from them to see what are my options in my current situation. Thx for the advice!

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · College Station, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 969 votes
    7y

    @Nicolas Escoffier. Welcome to BP. Sounds like you are putting in the work to position yourself as an investor.

    From your conversations with Lenders, you are in the beginning stages of getting Pre-Approved. And you do want to get PRE-APPROVED before you get serious about finding a property. 

    First, you need to know if you will be approved for a loan. If no one will Approve you, then - it's futile to exert the time and effort involved. Second, if you are in a competitive situation on a property, Sellers are not going to give your offer serious consideration without a Pre-Approval.

    Getting a Pre-Approval will not adversely affect your credit situation.  I'm told Credit Bureaus look at several credit inquires to Lenders in a short time span as all one transaction. 

    I would encourage you to pick a Lender you feel comfortable with and get the Approval process rolling. Lay your cards on the table about your situation. Lenders WANT to Approve you! Getting people approved for loans for properties that Close is how Lenders make money. No Loans - No Money!

    If for some reason, you don't find a property in 6 months, Lender will most likely just need to update your file with new financial statements, etc. 

    Best of luck to you!

  • Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    Hi @Jim Cummings, so based on my researches and based on what you said, now my plan would be to have several banks and brokers to give me their answers (to allow mortgages even as a non citizen/permanent) then all the ones that seem good enough I'll ask them a pre approval all in the same few days to get only one negative impact on my credit score. Thanks a lot for the details and clarifications!

  • Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    There is still something I'm not really clear about. Do the mortgage lenders and/or mortgage brokers have to be in the residency state, property state, or any is possible? And in that case, which is the best option? Thx

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · College Station, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 969 votes
    7y

    @Nicolas Escoffier. I would advise at this point to talk to several Lenders, give them you background data. I wouldn't try to get multiple Pre-Approvals. You are looking to find the Lender you feel most comfortable with, and the Lender you feel will take best care of you and your transaction. Then and only then would I move forward with getting a Pre-Approval.

  • Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Jim Cummings that's the step I'm in right now. Providing a summary of my situation and my project. Waiting for the answers to see who does it for my situation then evaluates the best option. and you're right that makes sense to then only go for one pre-approval with the one that seems the best fit. Thx!

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · College Station, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 969 votes
    7y

    @Nicolas Escoffier. As a REALTOR, I tended to send all my clients to the same lender. I knew they would be taken care of, She would tell me if they were well qualified, or if there was work need to get them to the point of being Pre-Approved.

    Once She told me they were Pre-Approved, we could proceed without any doubt about getting the loan funded.

    Now, you just need to find you a good Lender, and let them take it from there.

    Good Luck! 

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · College Station, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 969 votes
    7y

    @Nicolas Escoffier.

    REF YOUR: Do the mortgage lenders and/or mortgage brokers have to be in the residency state, property state, or any is possible? And in that case, which is the best option? Thx

    Mortgage Lender does not have to be in same state as long as qualified to underwrite Mortgages in state the property is located in.

    Practical advice. I would use a Lender in the state the property is located in, unless I already had a relationship with an out of state lender - which you apparently do not at this time!

  • Retirement Accounts Attorney · Southfield, MI · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Nicolas Escoffier

    Welcome to BP! My company offers products which allow our customers to use their retirement funds to invest in alternative investments including real estate.

  • Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    Hi @George Blower,

    I've only been in the US for a year and a half. My retirement funds for now are close to nothing. So I can't use that

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