Building a new REI business in San Diego and beyond

Building a new REI business in San Diego and beyond

San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 26 posts · 4 votes

And so the next phase of my life journey begins...

I'm currently in the process of being laid off at my job of running a project management office here in San Diego, California.

I've decided to build my own future by focusing full time on my REI effort, rather than running out and getting a new job. It would feel really good to use my process development and project management skills to improve my OWN business, rather than just helping another big company grow bigger. (I have a half-year of severance pay, and I'm pretty sure that I can get a new job later if necessary, although it may involve a pay cut.)

My goal is to lay the foundation for a scalable business that can support me full time, build passive income for my retirement in ten years or so, and has at least a chance of making "real money" if all the stars align.

Initially, I will focus on building my methods here in San Diego, while putting processes in place that can eventually be replicated out-of-state. My thinking is that it will be easier for me to quickly learn what works by initially keeping things local, even if it's harder to find properties that cash flow here in SoCal.

So here's my current game plan... (Following Joshua and Brandon's advice in the podcasts, I'm trying to map out ambitious actionable steps, so forgive me if I sound like I'm going to solve world peace in my first full-time REI effort.)

1) This week, confirm that the high-level numbers are there to conduct a major remodel on a Point Loma SFR that I just inherited. It's initially looking like I may stand to make about $100,000 or so, during the course of the next year. (With low holding costs, as me and my sister own the property free and clear.) We plan to sell the house next summer, once the rehab is done, as the rent we could get doesn't justify holding that much capital.)

2) Over the next few weeks, move out of my current duplex, which I love and will be sad to leave. That way I can rent out the second unit, and as a bonus, establish what its market rent is. (It's the nicer of the two units, but has never been rented since I rehabbed it.)

3) Move into the Point Loma SFR property that is being rehabbed. That way I can be on-site full time to monitor/project manage the rehab.

4) Over the next few weeks, build my initial team and then launch the Point Loma rehab, with a couple of initial stage gate steps to rerun the numbers as the architect's plans and GC SOWs are developed/refined. My hope is that during the course of the project I won't have to micro-manage my GC, thus leaving time for...

5) Within the next few months, further develop my initial strategy for building a scalable REI business. I'm currently thinking of starting with a direct marketing machine that will feed my future local flips and holds, while wholesaling the rest. I'm still deciding on the target audiences. I have some savings that I can use to get this kicked off.

6) Kick off my new local marketing business, and give myself a year or so to refine my methods here in SD.

7) Once I have a proven process developed, launch it in an additional city that cash flows better, to establish a track record of managing the business remotely. My hope is to build a local team that can purchase, rehab, and sell properties that my remote marketing engine finds. Initially partnering, then eventually converting a few key people to employee status with significant per-project bonuses to align our incentives while retaining the knowledge of how we do things.

8) Rinse and repeat in other cities, based on how quickly the business can expand, vs. the amount of risk that I want to take on. Obviously, finding competent/trustworthy ground troops in each city will be a key determinant in how quickly the business can scale.

9) See if I can train my niece and/or nephew to eventually inherit the business. (I don't expect to have any kids of my own.)

10) Having built a scalable business that doesn't depend on my daily hands-on actions, over time slowly work myself out of a job as I move into retirement. (I'm 50 now.)

11) Enjoy my full retirement for a couple years, and eventually die happy feeling like I won at the game of life. (Fingers crossed.)

Any input is welcome. I've been mostly lurking for a while now reading the forums and listening to lots of podcasts, and I would REALLY value any advice from the BP community.

I will be posting more detailed posts about each of the topics above, to help collect more detailed feedback. For this post, I'm hoping to get input on my general game plan, and immediate next steps... And maybe a little encouragement for a new phase of my career that feels both exciting and a little scary. ;-)

Thanks in advance for your support and advice!!

Mike Alford

PS. If you're local to San Diego, hit me up either here or at upcoming REI events. I'm really enjoying meeting new folks as I build my local network!

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  • Lender · Pasadena, CA · Member since 2013 · 74 posts · 11 votes
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    It's very difficult to live in a rehab, especially when the plumbing is out. Be prepared.

    Be sure it's on the market in the spring, especially if it's in a neighborhood that families will want. 

    Be certain you understand the target market, and don't under- or over-improve it. Visit lots of open homes (starting now) to see where your competition is. Don't be aafraid to spend if you need to elevate the level of the property.

    If sale price/sf is high enough, consider adding another BR/BR, especially if you can make a really nice master suite. Under 500 sf usually doesn't trigger major plan reviews, but check carefully w/the building department to know what's available.

    Be very polite to your inspectors.

    And have fun!

  • Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 4 votes
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    Hey Michael,

    It sounds like you have a good plan laid out. As @Bruce Olsen was mentioning, it is important to understand the target market and not put too much or too little into the home. My broker does mid-century modern rehabs, new construction and consulting in Palm Springs and San Diego (focused mainly on the Point Loma area) and we find that having top quality installs is key but basing the cost of the project on what is selling in the area.

    I'd love to meet up sometime to hear more about your plans. It's exciting when people step out and look to build something for themselves! 

    Cheers

  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 26 posts · 4 votes
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    Thanks Bruce!

    It will definitely require permits. My current plan is to expand the kitchen into the current back patio, in the process upgrading the existing den into an adjacent great room. Then build a grade-A master bedroom suite above the new kitchen. We'll add a private deck for the master BR on top of the existing garage, and a view deck on top of the master suite to make up for the loss of the back patio. We will also need up upgrade the existing 2-3 bathrooms. My goal is to move the property from the $800-850 range to $1.2M. Nearby homes comp anywhere from $700k to $1.4M and beyond, depending if they are smaller/old school or have been fully tricked out and have a view. The view on my property exists, but isn't perfect. I'm told by a GC that works with flippers and has done some big jobs that the rehab will take about $200k, and about 6 months from permit approval for the approx. 800 square foot addition to the 2000 square foot house. Obviously, my key decision inputs are the ARV and rehab costs, which I'm hoping will firm up as we develop the plans. I have J. Scott's two books btw.

  • Lender · San Diego, CA · Member since 2014 · 143 posts · 38 votes
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    Michael,

    Welcome to BP community! Feel free to reach out to me as resource. I am local CalBRE broker, private lender and investor. Living in the Point Loma rehab may be challenging from living perspective and productivity perspective. There may also be issues depending on the financing you are obtaining for rehab. I would like to hear more about your project, so feel free to contact me to set up a time to meet. My office is in Sorrento Valley area.

    Good luck!

    Antonio

  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 26 posts · 4 votes
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    Originally posted by @Antonio Gonzales:

    There may also be issues depending on the financing you are obtaining for rehab.

    Thanks Antonio. Looking forward to connecting in person! I plan on self-financing the rehab, so no issues there, but Inhear what you and Bruce are saying about living in the rehab. I'm hoping to pick up another small multi to live in if I decide that it won't be productive to live in he rehab.  I had great success in upgrading one unit at a time in my current duplex.

  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 26 posts · 4 votes
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    Thanks Aaron!  I just sent you a colleague request, and would love to meet up.

  • Professional · Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Michael Alford 

    Welcome to Bigger Pockets community, and good luck in your new journey.

  • Flipper, landlord, investor · Coronado, CA · Member since 2014 · 158 posts · 41 votes
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    I admire your ambition and planning, Michael.  And I can relate--I anticipate leaving the military next summer after 24 years of service and am contemplating a follow-on career doing something like what you describe.  Keep us all posted so we'll know how it works out! 

    Regarding point 1), you might consider owner financing to a buyer and carrying the note as a passive income source. I just learned more about this at a REI meeting in Albuquerque last week so I'm no expert, but as I understand it can be better tax-wise than straight selling and certainly a whole lot easier than renting. Check it out.

    Point 6) if I leave the military next summer and you start hiring, tell me where to send my resume!

    8) Let me know if you still want to discuss Western Nevada for one of your follow on locales.

    Best wishes,

    Vincent

  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 26 posts · 4 votes
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    Thanks Vincent, I appreciate your input!

    I'd heard seller-financing discussed on some of the podcasts, but hadn't considered it for this property.  I suppose it's worth considering for the tax reasons you mention. I'll need to look into it more once I can come up for air on my immediate investigations. 

    Thanks for your offers of support down the line if I end up working in your area.  Like I mentioned, finding quality people will be a big part of my city selection criteria, so I'll keep you in mind as I near at stage.  :-)

    Mike

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
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    @Michael Alford

    As some have hinted, you will have issues with seller financing! 1. you're in the business, 2. Federal law, Dodd-Frank has requirements and restrictions with properties that have had new construction performed, 3. you'll need to find a mortgage broker to originate loans in compliance, not so easy.

    Not something to ignore as there can be very stiff penalties, up to $100,000 in fines and/or 10 years in a federal prison!

    I don't have time to listen to podcasts many make be hit the ceiling. A lot of people are out there calling themselves or implying they are "experts". There are even attorneys screwing it up claiming exceptions, they must have missed the part in Chapter XIV, that says basically, any method, system or strategy that violates the intent of the Act will be deem to be a covered activity. That means using a Trust or LLC or you mom or wife to loophole into exceptions that is not at arm's length (no other relationship involved with a party behind the scenes benefiting) will be treated as a regulated activity.

    If you're a contractor make life easier, sell for cash and let the banks do their thing, you do yours. If you want notes, take your profits and buy them. Stay away from seller financed notes to consumers (homeowners) if there is not an RMLO license number and seal on the note and Deed of Trsut. 

    Read the forums, you can bank on what Ken Rishel and Dion D. have to say, (I'm pretty fair too, LOL), use salt with internet advice on seller financing. Best of luck to you!  :) 

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