How do you insure your rentals? Cash value or loan value?

How do you insure your rentals? Cash value or loan value?

Muscle Shoals, AL · Member since 2013 · 16 posts · 3 votes
Closing on your first two rental properties today and having questions about the insurance. Our agent is quoting one house with a cash value of 55k and the second with a cash value of 45k. We have 41k in the deal. How do you suggest we cover it? With the actual cash value or just enough to cover the loan so we have lower premiums?
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Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2013 · 788 posts · 285 votes
13y

Your mortgage company will probably dictate you get insurance for the amount of the purchase and list them as additionally insured. They will want to make sure they are covered for the money they are loaning.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Kansas City MO · Member since 2013 · 147 posts · 9 votes
    13y
    We did actual home value.
  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    13y

    This should really be a discussion of ACV vs RCV, which has already been done numerous times at BP:

    http://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#q=site:biggerpockets.com%2Fforums+acv+rcv

  • Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2013 · 788 posts · 285 votes
    13y

    Your mortgage company will probably dictate you get insurance for the amount of the purchase and list them as additionally insured. They will want to make sure they are covered for the money they are loaning.

  • Investor · Milford, CT · Member since 2012 · 592 posts · 285 votes
    13y

    I try to insure on replacement value depending on square footage. Up here in the Northeast construction costs are high and I don't mind paying a little extra in case something comes up.

  • Muscle Shoals, AL · Member since 2013 · 16 posts · 3 votes
    13y
    Thanks for the feedback and the link guys!
  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    Quick thought - if you would like to replace and own in an area pledge by weather events, then go with the replacement value. Keep your eyes open for other deductions you're entitled to. I'll be you could make up the difference between ACV vs. RCV premiums by chasing deductions.

  • Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2008 · 153 posts · 81 votes
    13y

    From threads suggested:

    Which option you take should be based upon your strategy for the individual property. Replacement Cost (RC) coverage allows you to recoup the depreciation that is initially levied against the claim settlement. Actual Cash Value (ACV) coverage does not. However, most of us in RE do not pay "retail" for labor/materials. Accordingly, many times the initial settlement, with depreciation levied) is still enough to repair damages. "Reconstruction Cost" is not Replacement Cost. It should indicate the value it would take to rebuild the property in the event of a catastrophic/large loss. If your strategy in the event of such a scenario is to pay off whatever debt may exist, then raze and sell the lot, then an insured value that is of "reconstruction cost" may be costing you too much premium. In other words, if you ultimately would repair partial losses, but sell in a "total" loss (after garnering the insurance benefit), then "over-insuring" doesn't make much sense. You should really address this issue at the "business model level", so you don't end up giving the insurance company more than the need to cover what you really have at risk. Keep in mind, the co-insurance requirement may hold you to certain levels of insured value, whether you like it or not (with many/most insurers). As such, we use the policies without such "co-insurance requirements" when applicable.

    Coinsurance is imposed on the insured by the insurance carrier for under reporting/declaring/insuring the value of the property. The penalty is based on a percentage stated within the policy and the amount under reported. As an example (assuming policy is written on a Replacement Cost basis, also):

    The reconstruction value of the property (as determined by the insurer) is: $250,000
    The Coinsurance percentage requirement is: 80 %
    The Limit of Insurance for the home is: $ 100,000
    The Deductible is: $3,000
    The amount of loss is: $40,000

    Step (1): $250,000 x 80% = $200,000
    (The minimum amount of insurance to meet your insurance requirements - assuming the policy required 80% co-insurance)
    Step (2): $100,000 ÷ $200,000 = .50
    Step (3): $40,000 x .50 = $20,000
    Step (4): $20,000 - $3,000 = $17,000

    The insurance company will pay no more than $17,000.

    The most commonly issued coinsurance percentage is 80%. For this reason, with "traditional" companies, like State Farm, it is vital that values of property are accurately reported and updated annually to reflect inflation and other increases in cost.

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