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Pete Woelfel
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What's so special about a 600 Credit Rating

Pete Woelfel
  • Milwaukee, WI
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I'm a super small fish renting out a 3 BR 1 BA 1000 sq/ft property in a nice but modest area in Milwaukee. I have been involved in REI for just a couple years and have not experienced many vacancies. I have had 100+ inquiries online and several completed applications. The requirements I have posted online are no vacancies for 7 years, > 600 credit rating, clean background check, and 3x rent gross income. I decided on these qualifications somewhat arbitrarily based on the advice of other investors/BP. I have had a number of candidates that have met every criteria with the exception of the credit rating, with some as high as 595. All of these credit reports and background checks have been done through zillow.

1) Why is the common expectation a 600 credit score?  Why is that the arbitrary line in the sand?

2) Am I at any risk for litigation if I accept a tenant with a credit rating under 600 now?  I've met several of these people personally, have income verification, and feel extremely comfortable allowing them to rent, but do my facebook and zillow ads put me at risk to allow them?

3) If I need to talk to an attorney, what type of attorney should I be looking for?

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Marcus Auerbach
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Hi @Pete Woelfel - interesting set of questions. Credit score is not a protected class. Google fair housing laws - the issue arises when you turn away someone in a protected class and rent to someone else, who is not a member of that protected class and they find out and get upset and file a discrimination complaint. So here is what you can do about it, a lot of it according to Mike Butler's book Landlording on Auto Pilot (He was a cop before). 

1.) Know fair housing laws and don't discriminate against the following federal protected classes: sex, color, religion, national origin, age, disability, family status incl. pregancy.  Additional Wisconsin protected class are lawful source of income, sexual orientation, martital status, ancestry and victims of domestic abuse/crimes.

2.) Never actually reject anyone, in particular in writing. First it sucks to get told you are not good enough and I don't want to do that to anyone. Second, if you do so the next question will be why - and that's the question that can get you in trouble. 

Butler's recommendation is to rank people using a score that involves criteria that are not protected classes (neat & clean or not, smoker or not, etc..) and then rank them. It is not as upsetting to someone to make second place (we would have rented to you, but we had an even stronger application) than being flat out rejected. He also uses a stalling tactic - more information needed, incomplete application, etc to deal with people who are persistent. 

I usually take the time to leave people with some helpful and encouraging feedback, tell them about creditkarma etc - and they are super thankful, because they got turned down before and nobody ever gave them useful feedback. In over ten years I had one issue with an applicant who was mentally a little on edge and felt she has been discriminated by the color of her skin, the fact that we rented to someone else of the same color was not good enough for her LOL - she complained, but it never went anywhere.

Notice how this works so much better with single family properties than appartment buildings? Once a SF is filled there is no more opportunity. If you manage a 100 unit low income apartment building things become a little bit more difficult.

To your question: credit score is not a protected class. And it's also not visible when looking at a person.

We are a little flexible with credit score. There is nothing matic about 600. The service we use (mysmartmove.com) allows me to see their payment history on every reported item - I am more concerend about their payment moral than overall score. If I see that someone has been paying like clockwork I am more inclined to accept a lower score. A lot of people have what I call a skinny report, there is barely any data and that's the main reson for a low score. 

They pay cash and have little to no credit - and a low score, because the little information that is on file is negative. They simply lack all the positive entries that you get from paying a car loan and credit card one time - they simply own their car free and clear and have no credit card..

Our soft criteria are: neat and clean, a sense of personal responsibility, easy to talk to, calm and leavel headed - I look at these equally important as the hard criteria you have mentioned.

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