Splitting heat costs in a duplex

Splitting heat costs in a duplex

Rental Property Investor · Manchester, NH · Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 0 votes

Hi All,

I'm closing on my first property at the end of the month (a duplex) and was looking for some input on utility costs and how to approach this situation. Let me start by giving some background.

The house has a monitor heating system (not very common, even where I am in NH) with a kerosene fuel source. Each unit has one "monitor". In the first floor unit, it is in the basement (which is very open to the main floor, presumably designed this way intentionally for the heat to rise; in the second floor unit it is in the kitchen. It also has radiant electric heat (in the floors/ceilings, no baseboards or other visible sources). In addition to both of these, the house has a wood-burning stove in the basement (part of the first floor unit) which is meant for heating purposes. 

I would be using the wood stove and just ignoring the rest, except that I will be living in the second floor unit for the time being, and I'm fairly certain I don't want my tenants to be allowed to use the wood stove. The kerosene heat may become costly. I honestly don't know how often the tank will need to be filled as I don't really know anyone else who has it to ask - and I can't find any good info online. But it's not a split system, so the cost for that would fall solely on me. The radiant electric heat, from what I've been told and researched, could actually be fairly efficient, especially because the house is well insulated with newer windows. 

My question is should I lower the rent slightly and only allow electric heat usage (which is separate for each unit, so tenant pays), or keep the rent a little bit higher and include heating (with the monitor system) in the rent. 

Thanks for any advice!

Dan

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Rental Property Investor · MN · Member since 2018 · 20 posts · 10 votes
7y

Hey Dan,

I own an 11 unit in Minnesota that has shared heating like the building you talk about. This winter was really hard on us because we saw some of the highest heating costs we've seen at the place with the extreme cold we had. When my property manager was in one of the units for a maintenance call in January the tenant had his heat set to 76 and a window cracked in his bedroom to sleep. That being said, whenever you are able to have the tenants be aware of the cost (ex. Billing them for it or putting the utilities in their name when possible) it eliminates these issues and makes your cash flow much more predictable. We've decided to go ahead and put electric baseboard heating in the units going forward since the tenants pay electricity and will see a substantial increase to the NOI of the property.

Logan

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  • Rental Property Investor · MN · Member since 2018 · 20 posts · 10 votes
    7y

    Hey Dan,

    I own an 11 unit in Minnesota that has shared heating like the building you talk about. This winter was really hard on us because we saw some of the highest heating costs we've seen at the place with the extreme cold we had. When my property manager was in one of the units for a maintenance call in January the tenant had his heat set to 76 and a window cracked in his bedroom to sleep. That being said, whenever you are able to have the tenants be aware of the cost (ex. Billing them for it or putting the utilities in their name when possible) it eliminates these issues and makes your cash flow much more predictable. We've decided to go ahead and put electric baseboard heating in the units going forward since the tenants pay electricity and will see a substantial increase to the NOI of the property.

    Logan

  • Rental Property Investor · Manchester, NH · Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    @Logan Boesch Thanks for the input! So very true. Predicable is probably better than unpredictable, even if it means the possibility of maybe losing a little bit of income. My big question mark is in determining how efficient the electric heating system on the premises is, and I likely won't really know that until I use it myself. 

    From my understanding, it's not legal in my state to do anything along the lines of a RUBS system for billing back to the tenant. I'm happy for any other NH residents to give me input on this, however!

  • Rental Property Investor · MN · Member since 2018 · 20 posts · 10 votes
    7y

    The electricity is not split I'm guessing?

    There are many variables but as a general rule of thumb for heating costs this is the order from least to most expensive in our experience:

    Natural gas

    Electric

    Propane

    Fuel oil

    There are other factors at play one being how old the systems are and their efficiency ratings but this is a decent guideline. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Manchester, NH · Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    @Logan Boesch The electricity IS split. The only thing that's not is the oil (kerosene) heating.

  • Contractor · Grand Marais, MN · Member since 2016 · 249 posts · 417 votes
    7y

    I had a monitor in my house for many years.  They sip kerosene, but can be finicky to operate.  With one in each unit, get a second tank, and split the cost. Very simple. The house was built in 2000, 1500 sq ft. I burned a lot of wood, but the monitor would cover when I was at work. 1 tank would last a year. NE Mn where -30 is not uncommon. Way cheaper than electric, unless you are talking off peak. If you learn all about their function, they are really good units.

  • Rental Property Investor · Manchester, NH · Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    Thanks @Matt Groth! Are you saying you mainly burned wood, but used the monitor while you were gone during the day? If I end up using it, it will be the primary heating source. So I'm guessing I would be using more than what you are saying. Am I understanding you correctly?

  • Contractor · Grand Marais, MN · Member since 2016 · 249 posts · 417 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Daniel Buck:

    Thanks @Matt Groth! Are you saying you mainly burned wood, but used the monitor while you were gone during the day? If I end up using it, it will be the primary heating source. So I'm guessing I would be using more than what you are saying. Am I understanding you correctly?

     I would say 1/2 to 3/4 of our heat came from the monitor. You are right, there isn't a lot of info out there. If the concern is financial, I would go with the monitor. If it is reliability,  it is tough to beat electric baseboards. Cheap to install, expensive to run. I would set up some way of notification if the temp drops in your house. If the exhaust freezes up, they can shut down, and if you aren't there to fix it, it can get cold fast! 

  • Contractor · Grand Marais, MN · Member since 2016 · 249 posts · 417 votes
    7y

    There are calculators online that will compare your electric rate to fuel oil or propane. If your electric company has an off peak rate, that is usually the cheapest, but they are not without issues, either.

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