Seeking partner for buy and hold REI

Seeking partner for buy and hold REI

Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes

Have you ever considered buying a turnkey rental property in Philadelphia but don’t trust the turnkey company’s numbers? Not sure if they’ll manage the property to your standards and look out for your best interest, especially after the first year guarantees some provide are up? Will they work hard to build relationships with your tenants to promote retention, provide excellent customer service, and quickly resolve complaints?

How does all this, in areas of Philadelphia with great potential for appreciation, sound? What if you could have all the above and it was managed by a fellow landlord and investor that would manage the property as if it were his own?

I’m currently seeking a partner to invest in cash flowing multi-family homes (MFH’s) with in Philadelphia for long term buy and hold, focusing on cash flow first with short-to-midterm appreciation a bonus. I have MFH management experience, 20 years in the construction and facilities management field as well as experience rehabbing houses. I have relationships with licensed contractors that I use daily and their abilities run the gamut from minor handyman-type tasks to full gut rehabs.

I can find MFH's that are off-market and need rehab work, netting us instant equity. This will also help retain tenants longer as they’ll have a nicer end product while we enjoy decreased maintenance costs and rent the units for top dollar.

I will handle sourcing the property, rehab (if necessary), leasing the units and all management to earn my half of the monthly cash flow. You can be as involved (or not) as you like and would only need to fund the purchase and rehab.

Thoughts, questions, concerns all welcome!

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  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 169 posts · 27 votes
    12y

    @Troy Sheets Could you possibly outline an example deal?

  • Wholesaler · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2013 · 336 posts · 54 votes
    12y

    @Troy Sheets A blog article was just written on this same scenario, write a sample deal and how it would appear to investors and private money.

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @William T.:
    @Troy Sheets A blog article was just written on this same scenario, write a sample deal and how it would appear to investors and private money.

    Could you point me to it? I took a look but couldn't find it.

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Corey Davis:
    @Troy Sheets Could you possibly outline an example deal?

    http://www.redfin.com/PA/Philadelphia/1332-N-59th-St-19151/home/38927339

    $30k purchase

    $70k rehab - full gut (no lead paint left in house = certified lead free = no tenant claiming their baby has LBP poisoning from your unit and that's why they're not paying rent and suing you), all new mechanicals and electric, separate utilities, new roof, basic finishes hardened for Section 8 renters

    Section 8 pays $1100 for 2br and $1500 for 4br, which you may or may not be able to get, but what you can easily get is $800 and $1200, which meets the 2% rule in a freshly rehabbed property. I'd put ARV at $120k looking at some of the active comps, which means you'd have $20k in equity the day the property was completed.

    Property above is on a nice, wide block with street parking on both sides, block and a half from public transportation, half block from a really nice public park with a playground, etc. Good solid rental area.

    Active comp below, no recent sold comps available, could dig up more/better if necessary:

    http://www.redfin.com/PA/Philadelphia/1225-N-60th-St-19151/home/38927561

    There are oodles of these types of properties available for $30k or less in solid rental neighborhoods all over Philadelphia. I just threw this together in 30 minutes this morning in answer to the requests above, I'm not saying this is THE property, just a fair example of what I see in Philadelphia all the time. There are better deals than this out there, better locations, better equity on the back end, etc.

    Terms, I'm open, tell me what you think is fair and we'll go from there. Thanks all!!!

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 169 posts · 27 votes
    12y

    @Troy Sheets Hmmm.... The deal itself isn't too bad, from a passive income standpoint, do you have any other JV properties and partners at this time?

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Corey Davis:
    @Troy Sheets Hmmm.... The deal itself isn't too bad, from a passive income standpoint, do you have any other JV properties and partners at this time?

    I can find better deals, that's one I pulled off Redfin for a quick example. It's in a neighborhood that has zero potential for appreciation. I can find properties like the example above (most not on the MLS) that are in up-and-coming neighborhoods. What sort of return on investment would you get if the example above were in a gentrifying neighborhood and the ARV went from $120k to $300k in 5 years? That's what I'm offering. A little equity up front, good cash flow and a freshly rehabbed property with the potential for serious appreciation. I'm watching the microcosms of borderline neighborhoods that the hipsters and yuppies are turning their noses up at now, but, in 3-5 years, these neighborhoods have the potential for serious appreciation.

    I have no partners or JV properties at this time.

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 169 posts · 27 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Troy Sheets:
    Originally posted by @Corey Davis:
    @Troy Sheets Hmmm.... The deal itself isn't too bad, from a passive income standpoint, do you have any other JV properties and partners at this time?

    I can find better deals, that's one I pulled off Redfin for a quick example. It's in a neighborhood that has zero potential for appreciation. I can find properties like the example above (most not on the MLS) that are in up-and-coming neighborhoods. What sort of return on investment would you get if the example above were in a gentrifying neighborhood and the ARV went from $120k to $300k in 5 years? That's what I'm offering. A little equity up front, good cash flow and a freshly rehabbed property with the potential for serious appreciation. I'm watching the microcosms of borderline neighborhoods that the hipsters and yuppies are turning their noses up at now, but, in 3-5 years, these neighborhoods have the potential for serious appreciation.

    I have no partners or JV properties at this time.

    Well, Mr. Sheets, if you DO happen to find a non-MLS property in an up and coming neighborhood with some up front equity and good cash flow, I'd be very interested in a JV partnership.

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Corey Davis:
    Originally posted by @Troy Sheets:
    Originally posted by @Corey Davis:
    @Troy Sheets Hmmm.... The deal itself isn't too bad, from a passive income standpoint, do you have any other JV properties and partners at this time?

    I can find better deals, that's one I pulled off Redfin for a quick example. It's in a neighborhood that has zero potential for appreciation. I can find properties like the example above (most not on the MLS) that are in up-and-coming neighborhoods. What sort of return on investment would you get if the example above were in a gentrifying neighborhood and the ARV went from $120k to $300k in 5 years? That's what I'm offering. A little equity up front, good cash flow and a freshly rehabbed property with the potential for serious appreciation. I'm watching the microcosms of borderline neighborhoods that the hipsters and yuppies are turning their noses up at now, but, in 3-5 years, these neighborhoods have the potential for serious appreciation.

    I have no partners or JV properties at this time.

    Well, Mr. Sheets, if you DO happen to find a non-MLS property in an up and coming neighborhood with some up front equity and good cash flow, I'd be very interested in a JV partnership.

    You got it, thanks for the insightful questions Corey!

  • Wholesaler · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2013 · 336 posts · 54 votes
    12y

    @Troy Sheets This is the article I was referring to for making up a deal to attract investors, I apologize for the late reply.

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2013/12/23/raising-money-to-invest-in-apartment-buildings/

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @William T.:
    @Troy Sheets This is the article I was referring to for making up a deal to attract investors, I apologize for the late reply.
    http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2013/12/23/raising-money-to-invest-in-apartment-buildings/

    Thanks @William T. great article! The author hit the nail on the head with the chicken or the egg analogy, I had two great properties for flips lined up but couldn't solidify a partnership in time, both properties are under contract now. It's tough to get that first deal done with a new partner but I've made a few good contacts in the last week, here's to both of our continued success in 2014!

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