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How to Do Real Estate Partnership without 1065
I've read that you can file real estate partnerships without actually filing a 1065.
"The IRS and the courts have stated that mere co-ownership, rental, and maintenance of real property does not create a partnership for federal income tax purposes. Similarly, mere agreements to share expenses do not create partnerships for federal income tax purposes."
How would me and my partner file taxes for 2021 if one person is on the loan, but both are on title?
1. Do we split the one 1098 form on our own Schedule Es even though one person is on the loan?
2. Is this something that can be done on Turbotax?
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Originally posted by @David Y M.:
@Ashish Acharya so do we just split the mortgage form even though it’s under my SSN? How do we split the 1098. My understanding that it is okay to file on our own Schedule E
Your understanding may or may not be correct. It depends on the details of your arrangement, and nobody can give you a Yes/No without a deeper discussion. And even then, the answer will come with an asterisk, as in "most likely, you can (or cannot)."
This is because we do NOT have a clear answer in the tax law. Instead, we have a pile of confusing information like you see in an earlier response by my colleague. It's hard to understand even for us tax professionals and next to impossible for everybody else.
I will try to give some layman's introduction that will intentionally avoid most technical terms and use simpler words. But when I do that, my answer loses technical accuracy and nuances, which is risky. So, here we go...
1. Two people doing business together is normally a partnership. You do not have to formally structure it as a partnership or form some business entity like an LLC. You do not have to have things in writing. If you do business together, then it's typically a partnership.
2. But what does it mean "doing business together"? Specifically, what is a "business" and what is "together"? This is where we start having problems. These terms are rather loosely defined in the law. It leaves a lot of room for interpretation. You know what it's similar to? Defining when you are in a relationship.
- If you got married, then it's pretty obvious you are in a relationship. In business, it's equivalent to creating an LLC. If you created one and operate under the LLC name - definitely a partnership.
- If you're Facebook official, then we're also supposed to believe your relationship status. In business, it means telling people (sellers, lenders, tenants, etc.) that you have a "business partner." Then you conceded having a partnership.
- But what if you keep it more casual and less committed? Do you or do you not have a relationship/partnership? It depends, right? You may think that you do not, and your girlfriend may very well think differently. Try using your phrase on her: "my understanding..." and let's see if you can finish it ;)
3. If this was not messy enough, there're two situations that sound similar but are actually distinct in the law. One is where you do not even have a partnership to begin with, and the other is when you do have it but elect to treat it as if you don't.
4. In case of partnerships, it's the IRS who decides yes or no, not you and not even us tax professionals. If we disagree with the IRS, it sometimes goes to court. Would've been nice if the courts declared some simple rules. They don't. They say yes in some cases and no in others. Then we're trying to compare our situations to those addressed by the courts and guess which case is most similar to ours. But it's only a guess.
5. Over the years, actually decades, of this ongoing controversy some rules of thumb developed. They are not hard rules, however, and there have been exceptions. Fun, I know. Here are these commonly accepted dos and don'ts:
- Do own property legally as "tenants-in-common." Check with an attorney how you own your property, because the rules are complicated and change from state to state.
- Do share all expenses and all income evenly.
- Do not create an LLC.
- Do not tell people you are business partners.
- Do preserve each other's right to act independently, including selling your respective interests. This one is tricky and needs to be discussed with a tax professional.
- Do not do anything together beyond what is normal for landlords.
Clear as mud, I know.
6. Assuming that you do conclude that there is NO partnership - how do you report this joint ownership? Half of everything on each return: half of rent income, half of all expenses, half of depreciation, half of the gain when sold.
The best thing to do with your 1098 is to issue a "nominee 1098" for half of the interest from you to your partner. Google it or get help. The second option is less hassle but is not by the book and has more risk: report half of your 1098 as "mortgage interest" and have him report his half as "other interest."
7. Think ahead about all potential problems down the road and figure out how you will handle them if they happen. It's too late to discuss when the problem is already in your living room. What if one of you wants out? What if one of you gets into health or financial or family troubles? What if you have tenant issues? Maintenance issues? Legal issues?
Remember: this thing is similar to being in a relationship. Always sweet at the beginning but does not always stay this way. Good luck.