Home office reimbursement for LLC members (taxed as partnership)

Home office reimbursement for LLC members (taxed as partnership)

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Hi, my husband and I are the only two members of an LLC (partnership status for tax purpose). The LLC owns a property outside the state where we live. We have a dedicated office in our primary home that we use exclusively for LLC related activities. We purchased the property in Jan 2021, so tax year 2021 will be our first tax return.

My question is about the reimbursement of the home office expense.  We have read various articles and watched various Youtube videos and are getting conflicting messages.  

1. Is it legal as a partner of the partnership to be reimbursed by the LLC for the home office expenses? We have established an Accountable Plan and a reimbursement policy, which governs how we reimburse ourselves when we travel from home to the property to do maintenance and repair work, or when we buy supplies for the property. We file an expense report every time and get reimbursed, using receipts for purchases, and IRS mileage for driving our cars and per diem rate for meals. (I used to work as a bookkeeper at a company, so I have been using my previous employer's travel/reimbursement policy as the template for our LLC.)

So the key question is: Is it legal to be reimbursed for the home office expenses as members of an LLC? Can we file an expense report in the same way as the travel expense?

3. By the way, we prefer to go through the reimbursement route instead of taking a deduction on Schedule E -- based on what I have researched, we would actually get more money, and it's cleaner and hopefully would rouse less suspicion from IRS examiners.

4. I know there are multiple ways of calculating the home office expense.  Based on what I learned from the internet, it seems that the best way is to count the number of rooms in the house and take a percentage of the total household expenses, i.e. we have 4 bedrooms, 1 living room, 1 dining room, 1 kitchen, 1 office, so the office expense should be 1/8 of the total expenses, including property tax, utility, home insurance, etc.  

5. I plan to wait until the end of December to do the home office reimbursement for the year, since I will need to know the exact amount of utility expense for the year.  I won't know the Dec utility expenses at the time of the reimbursement, but I plan to estimate it based on Nov's utility expenses.  Is that ok?  Alternatively I could wait until Jan 2022 to reimburse myself for the 2021 home office expenses, but it will become a part of the 2022 P&L calculation, so it will not help us to reduce our taxable income for 2021.  

6. Since my husband and I are both using the home office and we are the two members of the partnership LLC (it's set up with him having 75% and me having 25%), do we have to get reimbursed for the home office expenses along the ownership percentage, i.e. he gets 75% of the reimbursement and I get 25%? Or can I just file one reimbursement form and get the whole thing and he will not get any reimbursement? Our income tax return will be married filing jointly, so it doesn't matter for us if he gets 75% and I get 25% or I get 100% and he gets 0, but does it matter as far as the tax return for the LLC is concerned?

I know we have several CPAs frequenting this forum.  I am probably going to hire one of them to prepare the partnership 1065 and K-1 in 2022, but I don't have a CPA right now.  I don't want to wait until we hire a CPA in 2022 and then discuss this issue with him/her at that time.  I want to make sure we have the proper procedures in place and be able to take the reimbursement before the end of 2021.

I would really appreciate any feedback on the plan I have outlined.  Thank you for all your help.

Lisa

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Michael PlaksPro Member
Tax Accountant / Enrolled Agent · Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
4y

@Lisa Marie

Let me first answer your narrow question: is it legal to include home office reimbursements in your accountable plan? Yes, it is.

As far as your overall structure and procedures - there could be things to discuss. Starting from the 75/25 ownership split, your operating procedures, the use of your home office, the timing of your reimbursements, the split of the reimbursement, etc.

Also, you hinted that you planned to hire a CPA in 2022. I would not wait. Start looking now, as some of us get booked early and may not have room by the time you reach out, if you wait too long.

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  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    4y

    I would tell you room count has little to do with what the IRS will accept as a legitimate write off. If you get audited and you claim x% of your home, you have to prove it. If you have a big 4 bedroom house how many hours a day do you sit at the desk in that room to do what activities? Don't try and max out deductions thinking you are under the radar. How will you document this? What is reasonable on paper? Are you both in that room on the computer x% of the time? Property in another state you don't have a property manager? You can write off operating set up costs: legal, accounting, advertising, property management with clear invoices that are easy to pull out of a box in the event of an audit. Expensing the percent of heating, mortgage interest, property taxes on a home office is VERY complex and you need to pay your CPA to come up with a plan. It is not prudent to think people on a chat website can provide solid advice that you can bring to an audit, nor can an article online. Every every penny must go through the LLC checking account, hire CPA to sit with you to understand what you can do. One rental should take you less than two hours a month dealing with billing and communication. Most systems automatic: Quickbooks, a property manager in the location of subject... I AM NOT A CPA. I am not offering tax advice as no one should on this website, we don't know all the ins and outs of your taxes.

    The LLC plan to avoid lawsuits is a construct from people who charge to set up LLC's which fails to tell you: annual fee for LLC filings, extra costs for extra tax returns, total need for an advisor CPA.

  • Michael PlaksPro Member
    Tax Accountant / Enrolled Agent · Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    4y

    @Lisa Marie

    Let me first answer your narrow question: is it legal to include home office reimbursements in your accountable plan? Yes, it is.

    As far as your overall structure and procedures - there could be things to discuss. Starting from the 75/25 ownership split, your operating procedures, the use of your home office, the timing of your reimbursements, the split of the reimbursement, etc.

    Also, you hinted that you planned to hire a CPA in 2022. I would not wait. Start looking now, as some of us get booked early and may not have room by the time you reach out, if you wait too long.

  • Member since 2021 · 56 posts · 120 votes
    4y

    @Caroline Gerardo Appreciate your input.  We tried to stay on the right side of the law with everything we do -- that's why we have been following the accountable plan for reimbursement on everything we buy or spend for the rental house, as if we were employees working for a regular company. On the other hand, we also don't want to leave money on the table if we are legally entitled to get reimbursed for some expenses such as the home office.  

    For the record, we don't spend a lot of time in that "office" room (about 8~10 hours a week for each person -- communicating with the PM, coordinating with contractors, shopping for furniture and home decors, working on the guest book and website, etc.), but we don't use that room for any other purpose. Before we had the LLC, that room was basically unused; so we truly can claim that we use the office exclusively for business related to the rental property.

    Having said that, we know we are entering unfamiliar territory with the home office reimbursement, hence we are asking for help.  You are right -- it's not realistic to expect a comprehensive answer on the forum.  I was hoping to get some responses from the regular CPAs, and then maybe engage with one of them deeper offline in a professional arrangement.

  • Natalie KolodijBusiness Member
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    4y

    You can utilize an accountable plan. 

    I would not utilize room count as your allocation method- it's too vague. There may be 10 rooms and the office might be 100 square feet while every other room is 500 square feet. It isn't an equal 1/10th for allocation purposes. 

    Typically a square footage is the correct method square footage of home office out of total home square footage. 

    Michael is absolutely correct as well- this is the time to be seraching for a new professional. 

    If you're looking for someone REI specialied I'd recommend reaching out to @Jake Hottenrott Or @Michael Plaks who are both specialized as well as long time BP members, and investors as well. 

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