Financing Pickle! Got the Deals, Now need the Money

Financing Pickle! Got the Deals, Now need the Money

Rental Property Investor · Windham, ME · Member since 2018 · 62 posts · 18 votes
So for whatever reason, I’m having super favor in finding deals. I’ll lay out the quick history to catch you up with my current situation. 2 years ago I GC’ed the construction of a duplex on a lot I purchased from a distressed seller. (Mind you, I am not a General Contractor. I’m a linen salesman. I do know enough about building to be dangerous.) Because I found the deal and provided the GC’ing, I found a partner (MY MOM) to apply financing and fund the whole project. I condoized the duplex and sold each unit and made $26k per unit, total of $52k. My silent financial partner (MY MOM) wanted to roll the money into another deal. I found another duplex lot from a builder that was overloaded. We bought the lot for around $50k after closing fees and title work. The lot turned out to be a nightmare as it was in a zoning that required a sprinkler system. I thought I had gotten taken but my favor kicked in and the town changed the usage requirements in the zone the lot was located. The value of the lot instantly increases as a sprinkler system was no longer required and other zone changes benefited the value. I sold the lot for $67k. At this point, I had been sitting on that lot for over a year so, I did a 1031 exchange into a foreclosure I found. The foreclosure property located in Old Orchard Beach, Maine was a small 850 sf single family home that was destroyed. I got it for $112k. Aside from the fact that after about 50k of work (it was a complete gut. New plumbing, electric, roof, siding, interior walls. Everything. It was demo’ed to basically a shell) the property will appraised for over 200k, the zone the house was located in allows for me to construct 4 more units which I will do as 2 duplexes. Problem is because it was a foreclosure, I had to use all of my money plus a home equity line of credit I took out on my personal residence for 105k. I am pretty much tapped out. But while this is going and almost simultaneously, I found a nice 1700 sf cape with a 2 care garage that I purchased for $285k. Not much of a deal but after a few thousand dollars of paint and flooring, I have a corporate tenant on a three year lease paying $350 over my PITI. I financed that property with 5% down so I have a bit of mortgage insurance included in my PITI nut. Why I bought this property is because it had enough land for me to buy it in two deeds one with the house and one with yet another duplex lot. Problem is, I was not careful enough in structuring my financing and the mortgage company attached their lien onto both lots. I had begun securing construction financing for building this duplex and got approval pending a partial lien release to free up the lot. I also had begun secure subcontractors for excavation, foundation and building. They have begun work. Foundation is in and walls are going up. I have no money to pay them aside from an 100k equity line MY MOM will let me access. That should float things for a while at least until my Old Orchard Beach rehab refinances and I get about 165k of my cash back. (165k is 80% of what we believe it will apptaise for) That refinance closing is fue to happen within 4 weeks of writing this. So here’s the real problem: I’ve tapped out my resources. I’ve tapped out my mother’s resources and I just went under contract for another foreclosure for $105k. With about $25k of rehab, it will appraised for about $180k. Unlike the others where my main strategy to buy and hold, this one I will flip to get a cash infusion. I can’t finance it because it’s a foreclosure and the banks won’t touch it with all the systems winterized. I’ve never look for private financing outside of MY MOM 😂 but it looks like I’m going to need to now. Oh one more thing, just yesterday, the selling broker for another foreclosure called. I had put an offer on that SF foreclosure over a month ago but didn’t win it. The sellomg broker asked to put me in second position if the first offer fell through. Guess what? It did. Now it looks like I’ll be under contract for that one today. So, I’m going to need financing for this one to. I want t flip thisnone as well but I am very open to holding it as its im a great neighborhood and I know it well rent well and I get a ton of equity post rehab. If I go after hardmoney, what should I expect for financing terms? If a find a private investor what can I to offer them that is enticing but also fair to me? It would be great to find private financing for both but I need to know what a standard and good proposal is to approach a few finance prospects I have in mind. I’d like to only use hardmoney if I have to.
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Developer · FL · Member since 2018 · 26 posts · 16 votes
7y

Hi Andrew.

Hard Money Loans can work out great and I am seeing them get even more attractive as of late. Not sure how long that will last though. Two great benefits are: Speed and Flexibility. Hard money agreements can also be more flexible than traditional loan agreements - in most cases. HML lenders don't use a standardized underwriting process (usually). Instead, they evaluate each deal individually. Depending on your situation, you may be able to tweak things like the repayment schedules. You might be borrowing from an individual who's willing to talk...not a large corporation with strict policies which can be especially advantageous given your situations.

Wholesaling is Wild West stuff but can be a great way to create some fast cash for future long-term deals. Taxes are totally different though so be aware of that.

To your success! 

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y

    Look for local HML that will do your deals.

  • Wholesaler · Sturgeon Bay, WI · Member since 2016 · 1 post · 0 votes
    7y

    Sounds like you got it going on! I've had a harder time in my area since the 'mid range' market is WHITE HOT with all the millenials trying to buy there 1st house...

    I messaged you that I can get you an offer within 24 hours, that would be for any and ALL of your deals...

  • Rental Property Investor · Windham, ME · Member since 2018 · 62 posts · 18 votes
    7y
    @Corey Corbisier I did see your message. Are with a HML firm or are you offering as a PI?
  • Rental Property Investor · Windham, ME · Member since 2018 · 62 posts · 18 votes
    7y
    @Corey Corbisier Oh wait, I see you call yourself a wholesaler. I would consider selling my contract for one of my deals. Never done it though. Don’t even know how to start. Can you point me in the right direction?
  • Gorham, ME · Member since 2018 · 280 posts · 186 votes
    7y

    @Andrew Earle hey Andrew! I'm sure someone up here in Maine May be interested in doing an assignment. Was the deal off of MLS? I know a few wholesalers around here that may be able to help

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2018 · 207 posts · 225 votes
    7y

    Can you do a rehab (203k/or homepath) loan?

  • Iowa City, IA · Member since 2016 · 26 posts · 10 votes
    7y

    @Andrew Earle

    I was just discussing something like this today with a friend.

    1) Look for a hard money loan. Depends on the HML, you could see a 10-12% interest rate or higher.

    2) Could you present the deals to banks if you have enough equity to finance the deals into your portfolio?

    3) wholesale them

  • Developer · FL · Member since 2018 · 26 posts · 16 votes
    7y

    Hi Andrew.

    Hard Money Loans can work out great and I am seeing them get even more attractive as of late. Not sure how long that will last though. Two great benefits are: Speed and Flexibility. Hard money agreements can also be more flexible than traditional loan agreements - in most cases. HML lenders don't use a standardized underwriting process (usually). Instead, they evaluate each deal individually. Depending on your situation, you may be able to tweak things like the repayment schedules. You might be borrowing from an individual who's willing to talk...not a large corporation with strict policies which can be especially advantageous given your situations.

    Wholesaling is Wild West stuff but can be a great way to create some fast cash for future long-term deals. Taxes are totally different though so be aware of that.

    To your success! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Windham, ME · Member since 2018 · 62 posts · 18 votes
    7y
    @Cody DeLong You’re from Maine, nice! And just a town over. Do you know of any real estate investment groups that meet?
  • Rental Property Investor · Windham, ME · Member since 2018 · 62 posts · 18 votes
    7y
    @Cody DeLong You’re from Maine, nice! And just a town over. Do you know of any real estate investment groups that meet?
  • Rental Property Investor · Windham, ME · Member since 2018 · 62 posts · 18 votes
    7y
    @Jesse Carlson Can’t use traditional bank. Foreclosure with all the systems shut down. I will explore HML a little more in depth. My fIrst preference is to rehab and sell if I can make the numbers work. As of yesterday though, I did set two appointments to meet with two different potential private investors. I was thinking of offering them 10% when the deal closes. 6 month max where I’ll either have to refinance it or hopefully itnwill have sold. Or 2 points if it sells super quickly which ever is greater. Think that’s a good offer? I also found a lawyer that can write up the paperwork fairly inexpensively.
  • Iowa City, IA · Member since 2016 · 26 posts · 10 votes
    7y

    @Andrew Earle

    I would start at 10% like you said. They might push go up a percent but not a big deal. Then I agree you should have a 6 month loan. Then try to have it sold or refinance before then. I think you have a fair offer to present to the investors. Best of luck! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2018 · 207 posts · 225 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Andrew Earle:
    Do you know of any real estate investment groups that meet?

    There are three BP meetups that I know of; Portland, Topsham & Bangor.  Topsham & Bangor are coming up the first week of the month...unsure RE: Portland.
  • Gorham, ME · Member since 2018 · 280 posts · 186 votes
    7y

    @Andrew Earle yessir I have been to the SMREIA meeting a couple times and know the couple that runs it as well as one of the agents that work with them. They do a lot of wholesaling. As far as private money you may find a lot of people wanting 50 percent to bring all the cash and you bring the deal which is standard. If you find one that’s into deals let me know! I’d love to grab coffee sometime as well. I have deals I come across a bunch I just don’t have the full resources to do.

  • Rental Property Investor · Lexington, KY · Member since 2018 · 40 posts · 26 votes
    7y

    1) Good job MOM! (Thanks for the laugh.)

    2) My partner and I are house hacking in Biddeford (duplex). We renovated and are renting my SF home in South Portland. Now we're on the hunt for buy and hold deals to BRRR. DM me if you're keen to grab a drink so we can all meet.

  • Investor · Biddeford, ME · Member since 2017 · 282 posts · 180 votes
    7y

    Feel free to reach out with anything you're looking to wholesale, I'm looking for flips and holds within 20 minutes of Biddeford! 

  • Investor · Biddeford, ME · Member since 2017 · 282 posts · 180 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Frances Buerkens:

    1) Good job MOM! (Thanks for the laugh.)

    2) My partner and I are house hacking in Biddeford (duplex). We renovated and are renting my SF home in South Portland. Now we're on the hunt for buy and hold deals to BRRR. DM me if you're keen to grab a drink so we can all meet.

     I have a single family on Pool St that I'm going to be flipping, could be rented as is.  Could be a great hold if you're interested.  What's your price range? 

  • Member since 2019 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    Do banks allow you to use a credit card to cover closing costs?

  • Rental Property Investor · Windham, ME · Member since 2018 · 62 posts · 18 votes
    7y
    @JM Payne Never tried that type of loan and never had a banker or loan officer that suggested it. Have you? Did it work well? I’ll look into it.
  • Rental Property Investor · Windham, ME · Member since 2018 · 62 posts · 18 votes
    7y
    @Jesse Carlson Thanks, I’ve actually started looking into HML. That seemed scary to me at first but could be a really good option for some of these deals.
  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2018 · 207 posts · 225 votes
    7y

    @Andrew Earle I have not personally done one yet...initially heard about it in a class designed for RE continuing ed for how to close deals requiring rehab.  The class was taught by guys at Prime Lending, and it was good.  @Josh Gotlieb locally told me that he is familar.  He did my home loan and was great, but it wasn't rehab.  The homepath product has more flexibility than the 203k

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