Refi out of a Hard money rehab?

Refi out of a Hard money rehab?

Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 161 posts · 15 votes

With the current market as it is... are there lenders out there that will refi out of a hard money rehab based upon the following:

up to 80% LTV on the new current repaired value
cash out up to 80% only owning the property 6 months or less
have lenient DTI or a stated income program?

Does anything even close to that excist these days?

Thanks a bunch!

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  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 161 posts · 15 votes
    17y

    All these views and still NO ONE has any info or leads for me to check out?

    Do these types of programs just not excist anymore?

  • Real Estate Consultant · Siesta Key, FL · Member since 2008 · 421 posts · 50 votes
    17y

    No, probably not. Things have tightened up you can get 60 or 70 percent. Have you already bought the property?

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 161 posts · 15 votes
    17y

    Not yet. I want to have all my ducks in a row and my exit strategies planned out prior to obtaining the property.

    So you think that 70% could be possible?
    No seasoning requirements?
    Lenient DTI or stated programs?
    Cash Out to 70%?
    Do tell me more if you have the info.

    I would be interested in rate and term as well if cash out is not an option. I am sure it would be less than 70% in those instances.

  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    17y

    Stated income is practically gone.
    Seasoning is a huge issue right now.
    A NOO loan will currently require up to 6 months of seasoning. I am currently seeking creative alternatives around this as it is an issue for some of my current strategies right now. There is another thread about this issue.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 161 posts · 15 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by nationwidepi:
    Stated income is practically gone.
    Seasoning is a huge issue right now.
    A NOO loan will currently require up to 6 months of seasoning. I am currently seeking creative alternatives around this as it is an issue for some of my current strategies right now. There is another thread about this issue.

    Thanks for the reply!
    It seems that all I am getting right now is that things are issues, the programs are gone, or that we are searching. Does anyone have answers?
    Care to share what you have found so far?
  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    17y

    Have you tried calling lenders in your area? Local info is going to be best, since conditions are different in different parts of the country. Try making some phone calls to local lenders and mortgage brokers and see what they have to say.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 161 posts · 15 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
    Have you tried calling lenders in your area? Local info is going to be best, since conditions are different in different parts of the country. Try making some phone calls to local lenders and mortgage brokers and see what they have to say.


    Jon,

    Should I be calling where I live, or where I plan to buy/lend? Two different states entirely. Let me know, thanks! :mrgreen:

  • Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 86 votes
    17y

    I've got a lender who "says" seasoning is not an issue. Rates are high and so is the closing cost. PM me if you want his info.

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    17y

    Either, though you may have better luck where you're investing.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 161 posts · 15 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
    Either, though you may have better luck where you're investing.


    Thanks Jon! I will be looking then to find myself some options.

    Thanks to everyone else for the other PMs and so forth!

  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    17y

    Slinger,
    As Jon mentioned, local small community banks are a great option, particularly ones that will carry their own paper, tehrefore they do not have to go with the Freddie/Fannie guidelines.

    You will want to use the bank in the area you are investing, as the bank is familiar with that area and not the bank where you live.

    Hate to point out another problem, but be aware that some of these local banks will be more apt to loan to a "local" for the property in that area as opposed to an out of state investor. It is just a sign of the times. Keep searching the banks as there are many local ones and one of them should be able to accomodate you.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 161 posts · 15 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by nationwidepi:
    Slinger,
    As Jon mentioned, local small community banks are a great option, particularly ones that will carry their own paper, tehrefore they do not have to go with the Freddie/Fannie guidelines.

    You will want to use the bank in the area you are investing, as the bank is familiar with that area and not the bank where you live.

    Hate to point out another problem, but be aware that some of these local banks will be more apt to loan to a "local" for the property in that area as opposed to an out of state investor. It is just a sign of the times. Keep searching the banks as there are many local ones and one of them should be able to accomodate you.


    Is there an easy to to find out which local bank (in the area I will invest) carries their own paper? Or do I just try calling and asking or what is the easiest way?

    Thanks guys!

  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    17y

    You have to start calling banks. That simple. Be very clear what you want and what you are trying to accomplish so they get a clear picture and you get an accurate reply.

  • Commercial Real Estate Broker · Fontana, CA · Member since 2008 · 68 posts · 20 votes
    17y

    Quicken loans has 30 day seasoning and 80% and 75% cash out NOO. Stated you are looking at about a 8%

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 161 posts · 15 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by Anthony Clayton:
    Quicken loans has 30 day seasoning and 80% and 75% cash out NOO. Stated you are looking at about a 8%


    Thanks for the info! I am going to check that out right now!
  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    17y

    Anthony, have you actually closed on one of these Quicken loans?
    They are loan brokers and often times, advertise and promise great rates and terms, then fail to deliver at the final hour, in my experience.

    Just wonder if you have personally experienced the loan you outlined.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 161 posts · 15 votes
    17y

    Just talked to them.

    No title seasoning. NP.

    The stated or no doc on NOO. No dice.

    Just so you all know.

  • Real Estate Investor · Reading, MA · Member since 2008 · 124 posts · 15 votes
    17y

    slinger, i too am in your same spot...i have a HM rehab loan almost ready to go but just need to line up the exit refi, bc i plan on holding onto the property as it will provide excellent cash flow ...

    i have also been told the local banks are the way to go...i have 2 calls in and have spoke with two local lenders probably call more this week...

    one lender (i have used them 3 times this year for other deals) is my best bet and even though they know me and know my history and experience they are "on the fence" about this type of financing...they have not ruled it out but the broker said yesterday "i wil run it my sr. management"...doesnt sound too good...

    this would be my fist HML too...keep you posted...

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 161 posts · 15 votes
    17y

    Please keep me posted.

    Thanks BG!

  • Real Estate Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2008 · 9 posts · 0 votes
    17y

    If you have liquid assets, there is a way to stay completely leveraged without having to liquidate.

  • Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2008 · 759 posts · 185 votes
    17y

    Dane,

    My network is in process of working with Hedge Lenders, and I signed up as a rep via Mark Stevens at REIN. (Who is new to HL as well)

    I see that you are also a rep for this company.

    How many deals have you closed and do you have anyone you could send me as a reference as to their experience with the loan process?

  • Real Estate Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2008 · 9 posts · 0 votes
    17y

    Mark is one of my great friends.

  • Real Estate Investor · Reading, MA · Member since 2008 · 124 posts · 15 votes
    17y

    sling, i just had a face to face meeting w/ a local bank here north of boston...we spoke at first about exit strategy out of hard money into a conventional loan...

    he then presents me with the possibility of a staight construction/rehab loan with his bank based on 75% or even possibly 80% LTV based on ARV...with an interest rate of around 7 or under 5/1 ARM & 30 yr...

    needless to say i walked out very excited...reasons he is optimistic about lending to me is 1) i have over 5 yrs experience buying/selling and renting multi family property and 2) this is not my primary business, only a secondary form of income 3) MOST IMPORTANTLY they will keep this loan "in house" as i already have over 4 mortgages

    so keep calling, yesterday i think i called 6 smaller to mid sized local banks in and around Boston

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 161 posts · 15 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by B G:
    sling, i just had a face to face meeting w/ a local bank here north of boston...we spoke at first about exit strategy out of hard money into a conventional loan...

    he then presents me with the possibility of a staight construction/rehab loan with his bank based on 75% or even possibly 80% LTV based on ARV...with an interest rate of around 7 or under 5/1 ARM & 30 yr...

    needless to say i walked out very excited...reasons he is optimistic about lending to me is 1) i have over 5 yrs experience buying/selling and renting multi family property and 2) this is not my primary business, only a secondary form of income 3) MOST IMPORTANTLY they will keep this loan "in house" as i already have over 4 mortgages

    so keep calling, yesterday i think i called 6 smaller to mid sized local banks in and around Boston


    BG,

    Thanks so much for this info! It is really important! It gives me a ton of hope that I will be able to complete this first deal :mrgreen: Just keep me posted with your project and if I get some more info I will post here as well. Thanks again!!!

  • Member since 2008 · 1 post · 0 votes
    17y

    I contacted QuickenLoans, but they do require a 6 month seasoning of the property.

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