Are we getting a good deal from our local bank?

Are we getting a good deal from our local bank?

Investor · TX · Member since 2015 · 393 posts · 290 votes

Hi everyone. Still fairly new to this, we started last June and this month we will close on our 6th property. We own one outright, the others have all been done with our local bank. The first deal was actually 2 SFR next door to each other and the bank did that as one loan. We are strictly Class C, purchase prices are 60k and under.

The bank is writing our notes in house and we have to put down 15%, it's a 5 year ARM on a 15 year amortization. Rate increases were supposed to be capped at 3%, but I negotiated a 2% cap. Since the rate can only increase every 5 years, even if it goes up the full 2%, my payment will not increase and may even go down, because the balance has been paid down during that 5 year period. The interest rate has been hovering around 5 to 5.25%

So far they haven't batted an eye whenever I've brought them a deal.  We have a strong rental market and rents are increasing steadily.

Are these terms that you guys would consider, poor, good or very good?

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Rental Property Investor · Independence, MO · Member since 2013 · 92 posts · 37 votes
10y

sounds like a great deal to me!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Independence, MO · Member since 2013 · 92 posts · 37 votes
    10y

    sounds like a great deal to me!

  • Investor · Deridder, LA · Member since 2014 · 298 posts · 185 votes
    10y

    Roger,

    Lets run some numbers and see what we have...

    Purchase Price : 60k

    Down payment : 9k

    Loan Amount : 51k

    Interest : 5.25%

    Term : 15 yr

    Monthly Pmt : 409.97  (Annual 4919.64)

    This gives you a loan constant of : 9.6%   (Formula for LC = $4919.64 / 51,000)

    What does this mean to you...?? If your CAP rate is higher than 9.6% then you are positively leveraged and your ROI will be higher exponentially. If CAP rate is = 9.6% you are neutral. If cap rate is lower than 9.6 then your negatively leveraged and your ROI will be lower due to financing.

    Not enough information in the post to determine your CAP rates, but so long as you have a spread of say 2 - 3 % where CAP is higher than your Loan Constant then your in good shape and positively leveraged.

    In an ideal scenario you want your CAP rate to be a few points higher than the Loan Constant and the interest rate of the loan to be lower than the area's appreciation rate to be positively leveraged for appreciation.

    A good rule of thumb is to figure your Loan Constant for multiple loan packages and pick the one with the lowest Loan Constant. That's the loan that will give you the best spread so that you can be positively leveraged and increase your ROI.

    Hope this helps.

    Jeff V

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    Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    10y

    You have an amazing deal. Only 15% down is pretty rare. If you are paying less than or equal to a 1% loan origination fee it really amazing. I have seen lower rates by a little for commercial but I pay 20% down, pay 1% loan origination, and pay about 5% on a 5 year ARM.

  • Lender · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 51 posts · 5 votes
    10y

    Great deal

  • Investor · TX · Member since 2015 · 393 posts · 290 votes
    10y

    Thanks guys, and thanks Jeff V. for the formula.   I'd never seen that before.    I ran the numbers on each of our properties and our Cap rate exceeds the LC by several points on each one.

  • Investor · Deridder, LA · Member since 2014 · 298 posts · 185 votes
    10y

    Roger,

    Thanks for the feedback :D and glad I could help.

    Jeff

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    10y

    Make sure you keep in mind that any equity in your properties needs to have a calculated return deducted from your income as well. 

    Yours are good rates but always assume 100% financing in calculating rental returns.

  • Real Estate Broker · Greer, SC · Member since 2013 · 548 posts · 271 votes
    10y

    Don't be skeered to go big.  We closed a 5/20 at 3.4% last week.  Loan amount 1.4m on 80 unit. 75%ltv

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