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Alan M.
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco Bay Area
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Syndications - Cash Flow vs. Wealth Creation

Alan M.
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco Bay Area
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I've been looking to invest in some real estate syndication deals. I've met with 15+ sponsors, guys who do deep value adds (low if any initial cash flow in the first few years, but higher IRRs upon exit) to more management optimization or repositioning plays (cash flow from Day 1, but a much lower IRR after exit) and everything in between.

I've just assumed that the total risk adjusted IRR is the same whether the deal cash flows early (small repositioning) or is a deep value add with a higher IRR. In other words, if the repositioning has zero risk and an IRR of 15% but that the deep value add has an IRR of 25% but fails 40% of the time (and assuming failure means I just get my capital back), the two investments are equivalent.

Thinking about it more, I think I've been thinking about this all wrong. 

While I understand that the deeper value adds naturally have more risk with them, I feel like the risk from a deeper value add is more that the investment might not cash flow for a while and then might only be a 17% IRR in total (instead of the 25% in the example above) because they can't get to the rents they want or otherwise can't live up to the pro-forma. There's also a risk premium that someone has to put on the deal for something that doesn't cash flow for a while - investors need to be paid for that delayed gratification of having their capital tied up for years with no cash flow coming in.  But, in general, these are better ways to grow wealth than more conservative repositions of assets that already cash-flow.

So, assuming the above is right, if you don't need the capital back for a while and don't need the added cash flow in the short term, are the higher IRRs associated with deeper value adds just simply better risk-adjusted deals for building long-term wealth?  I know it's far fetched to say "eh, I don't need the equity back and I don't need the cash flow for years, I just want the best long-term return", but, if that really is the case, then what am I missing here?

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