Skip to content
×
Try PRO Free Today!
BiggerPockets Pro offers you a comprehensive suite of tools and resources
Market and Deal Finder Tools
Deal Analysis Calculators
Property Management Software
Exclusive discounts to Home Depot, RentRedi, and more
$0
7 days free
$828/yr or $69/mo when billed monthly.
$390/yr or $32.5/mo when billed annually.
7 days free. Cancel anytime.
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here

Join Over 3 Million Real Estate Investors

Create a free BiggerPockets account to comment, participate, and connect with over 3 million real estate investors.
Use your real name
By signing up, you indicate that you agree to the BiggerPockets Terms & Conditions.
The community here is like my own little personal real estate army that I can depend upon to help me through ANY problems I come across.
General Real Estate Investing
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

Updated almost 6 years ago on . Most recent reply

User Stats

399
Posts
341
Votes
Patrick Menefee
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Charlotte, NC
341
Votes |
399
Posts

Rehab for dummies (I’m the dummy)

Patrick Menefee
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Charlotte, NC
Posted

Good morning BP

As I spend more time practicing analyzing deals I know the rehab piece is one spot i need some help. I’ve heard plenty of warnings about misestimated rehab costs, and i know that this is definitely not a strength of mine right now. So it’s time to start learning.

I have a few specific tactical questions when looking at a potential BRRRR property. First, I imagine it all starts with designing the rehab rather than just pointing to a house that needs work and saying "fix it!" How detailed of a plan should this be? Does it need to be formally written up in some way, or just a vision you can share with a contractor? Is it good to have a professional draw something up, and if so how much does that typically cost?

Once you know what the end looks like, how do you price it? Can you schedule a contractor to come provide a quote when you go do a showing before you make an offer? And then is the best bet to try to get them lined up at that point to jump in at closing?

Thanks in advance for all the help!

Patrick

Most Popular Reply

User Stats

2,465
Posts
3,856
Votes
Patricia Steiner
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Hyde Park Tampa, FL
3,856
Votes |
2,465
Posts
Patricia Steiner
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Hyde Park Tampa, FL
Replied

Patrick, I have a few concerns:  

1.  As a buyer, you do not pay commissions. Why not add some bench strength and find a realtor who specializes in working with investors to help you.  Brokers/Realtors have a host of resources to help their clients; a contractor who won't give you the time of day as a "newbie, non-owner" will show-up for a realtor who provides an ongoing referral base of business.  And, pricing is determined by market demand. A broker/realtor can tell you what price points are selling, what the price point is in a certain market, and what demand is currently (how long it will take to sell at various price points).  

Warning.  Not all realtors are created equally.  Again, you need one who is experienced in working with investors - especially those doing projects like the ones you're considering.  You don't need someone who is the "queen/king" of Facebook and park benches. You need someone who knows and loves dirt.

2.  Over-improving will kill you.  Designing?  Save that for your own home.  You need to understand how bank appraise/value a property for financing when it has sold twice within the same year.  It's not to your advantage.  And, not all improvements increase value/price.

3.  Market Demand.  The housing market is cooling.  What was a great investment last year is not now.  I have flippers calling me looking for work as handymen/home improvement because their flips haven't sold and the demand has vanished on them.  

I would like to recommend something else too:  Stop analyzing. Stop looking for properties. Stop planning.  Go look at completed flips/rehabbed properties currently listed for sale.  Compare those to the condition when purchased.  Look at price, price drops, time on market.  

My apologies for being so direct.  As a Broker and Investor, I am seeing a lot of financial fallout from investors.  It's downright ugly.  

Loading replies...