General Real Estate Investing
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Short-Term & Vacation Rental Discussions
presented by
![](http://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/assets/forums/sponsors/hospitable-deef083b895516ce26951b0ca48cf8f170861d742d4a4cb6cf5d19396b5eaac6.png)
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Tax, SDIRAs & Cost Segregation
presented by
![](http://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/assets/forums/sponsors/equity_trust-2bcce80d03411a9e99a3cbcf4201c034562e18a3fc6eecd3fd22ecd5350c3aa5.avif)
1031 Exchanges
presented by
![](http://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/assets/forums/sponsors/equity_1031_exchange-96bbcda3f8ad2d724c0ac759709c7e295979badd52e428240d6eaad5c8eff385.avif)
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback
Updated 7 months ago on . Most recent reply
![Cliff Durrett's profile image](https://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/no_overlay/uploads/social_user/user_avatar/398042/1621449038-avatar-gfai.jpg?twic=v1/output=image/crop=464x464@0x0/cover=128x128&v=2)
Need advice on a short sale where the 2nd cancelled the request, charged off?
Ok, so I have someone doing a short sale of sorts in florida
The first mtg is with a co out of CA that bought the NPL from Fannie a few years ago
The 2nd is with Mr Cooper, and is a Fannie 2nd (didnt know fannie even did 2nds?)
Anyway, the first is getting 100% payoff
The 2nd, after jumping through Coopers hoops, came back with "the short sale has been cancelled" and "this loan has been charged off by the lender"
Now the 2nd hasnt been paid in 13+ years, but what happens when a 2nd is charged off? There is no cancellation of mtg filed, no sat filed, so how do you proceed with something like this?
Ive never seen this before, anyone have an idea how to proceed or dealt with this?
Thanks
The first mtg is with a co out of CA that bought the NPL from Fannie a few years ago
The 2nd is with Mr Cooper, and is a Fannie 2nd (didnt know fannie even did 2nds?)
Anyway, the first is getting 100% payoff
The 2nd, after jumping through Coopers hoops, came back with "the short sale has been cancelled" and "this loan has been charged off by the lender"
Now the 2nd hasnt been paid in 13+ years, but what happens when a 2nd is charged off? There is no cancellation of mtg filed, no sat filed, so how do you proceed with something like this?
Ive never seen this before, anyone have an idea how to proceed or dealt with this?
Thanks
Most Popular Reply
![Tom Gimer's profile image](https://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/no_overlay/uploads/social_user/user_avatar/887062/1695040967-avatar-tomg92.jpg?twic=v1/output=image/crop=300x300@0x0/cover=128x128&v=2)
The lien needs to be paid and/or released. A third party likely purchased that debt from the original lender (uncollectible by typical debt collector standards) for pennies on the dollar. And that lien is a huge title problem waiting to happen for anybody who thinks it disappeared when an accounting decision was made.
It's a tough situation for the borrower. Track down the new owner of the debt to complete the short sale and wake a sleeping creditor who doesn't need to play ball; or ignore it somehow (bad title company) and the new parties in interest get foreclosed from first lien position by somebody just waiting for the opportunity to squeeze everyone.
- Tom Gimer
![business profile image](https://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/no_overlay/uploads/marketplace/business/profile_image/3826/1730927408-company-avatar.jpg?twic=v1/output=image/contain=65x65)
Eastern Title & Settlement
12 Reviews
4.9 stars