latest identity theft and property scam and how to protect yourself

latest identity theft and property scam and how to protect yourself

Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes

some good info here on protecting yourself from scammers especially all the folks on BP that own properties in different states you are a target.

From the DRE of CA I got this advisory this morning.

Law enforcement agencies and District Attorney offices around California are reporting a sharp increase in real estate fraud involving identity theft and the sale of vacant land and unencumbered property.

All real estate agents must exercise due diligence to verify the owner of a property before accepting a listing.

In the scheme, the criminal:

  • Searches public records to:
    1. Identify properties that are free of mortgage or other liens.
    2. Identify the property owner – This often includes vacant lots, long-term rentals, or vacation rentals, with targeted properties often owned by the elderly and/or foreigners.
  • Poses as the property owner and contacts a real estate agent to list the property for sale
  • Requests that the property be listed below market value to generate immediate interest.
  • Requests that no "For Sale" sign be posted on the property.
  • Requests preference for a cash buyer, quickly accepts an offer, and demands a quick closing.
  • Refuses to meet in person, preferring to be contacted through email, text, or over phone, and typically refusing video calls.
  • Refuses to attend the signing and claims to be out of state or country.
  • Demands to use their own notary, who then provides falsified documents to the title company or closing attorney.
  • Insists that proceeds are wired to them.

On their own, these characteristics may not be red flags. But, when several or most occur, the risk becomes more apparent. Unfortunately, the scheme is usually only discovered when recording the transfer of documents with the appropriate county.

How to prevent the scam

As a real estate agent, before accepting a listing, you must take steps to establish and verify the identity of a property owner. Some tips to do that include:

  • Request an in-person or virtual meeting and see proper government-issued identification.
  • If they won’t meet, require them to utilize the services of third-party identity verification service provider.
  • Conduct an online search using the name of the property owner. Look for a phone number and recent photo. If you find a number, contact that person and verify they are the actual owner.
  • Send via overnight mail a copy of the electronically signed listing to the address or record with a request to confirm the listing’s accuracy. This will alert the legitimate owner of potential fraud.
  • Require that the property owner provide a copy of a voided check with the seller’s disbursement authorization form.
  • Use a wire verification service or confirm wire instructions match account details on the seller’s disbursement authorization form.

DRE also encourages brokers to develop written policies with respect to listing properties in which the licensee and seller have never met in-person.

Alleged cases of this or any other type of real estate fraud should be reported to local law enforcement authorities or local District Attorney’s office. If there is another real estate licensee potentially involved in the fraud, you should provide the information to DRE through

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Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
3y

An easy protect for long term property landlords without mortgages (listed as a target in e original post.) is to simply favorite your properties on Zillow. You’ll receive an email if they ever get listed for sale. Plenty of time to stop the sale from occurring. I assume it’s still a major hassle. But only you and the criminal invoked, no innocent 3rd party. 

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  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    I have seen five cases of this scam in the past 19 months. 

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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    @Jay Hinrichs

    Back in the day when we owned contract for deeds the borrowers would get an agent to list and sell the house. We had one house that sold and we were never notified. They sold it via quit claim deed and cash sale and the buyer needless to say was not happy when we got the deed overturned and he had paid the contract holder the money.

    With the advent of AI and being able to copy people’s voices and images, it’s going to cause a lot more diligence when selling a home for someone especially if they are from afar.

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    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Chris Seveney:

    @Jay Hinrichs

    Back in the day when we owned contract for deeds the borrowers would get an agent to list and sell the house. We had one house that sold and we were never notified. They sold it via quit claim deed and cash sale and the buyer needless to say was not happy when we got the deed overturned and he had paid the contract holder the money.

    With the advent of AI and being able to copy people’s voices and images, it’s going to cause a lot more diligence when selling a home for someone especially if they are from afar.


    a lot of the low value land deals that the land geek type of folks deal with are all done without title insurance and QC deeds going to be a lot of sad folks in that end of the pool once the bad guys figure they are a target
  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    3y

    An easy protect for long term property landlords without mortgages (listed as a target in e original post.) is to simply favorite your properties on Zillow. You’ll receive an email if they ever get listed for sale. Plenty of time to stop the sale from occurring. I assume it’s still a major hassle. But only you and the criminal invoked, no innocent 3rd party. 

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    3y

    Not exactly the type of scam you are referring to, but we often have people who has lost houses to us via tax foreclsoure try to sell them hoping somehow they get away with it. These people know they have lost the property yet still try to sell.

    I have to call a broker tomorrow to take down such a listing. I'm not happy since I told the agent two weeks ago to do so with a copy of our court judgement. 

  • Investor · Longmont, CO · Member since 2016 · 185 posts · 156 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Chris Seveney:

    @Jay Hinrichs

    Back in the day when we owned contract for deeds the borrowers would get an agent to list and sell the house. We had one house that sold and we were never notified. They sold it via quit claim deed and cash sale and the buyer needless to say was not happy when we got the deed overturned and he had paid the contract holder the money.

    With the advent of AI and being able to copy people’s voices and images, it’s going to cause a lot more diligence when selling a home for someone especially if they are from afar.


     I was wondering about these scenarios, subject to or seller finance type properties where a deed is held by one party as part of an off market agreement. 

    Thanks for sharing Chris!

  • Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

    some good info here on protecting yourself from scammers especially all the folks on BP that own properties in different states you are a target.

    From the DRE of CA I got this advisory this morning.

    Law enforcement agencies and District Attorney offices around California are reporting a sharp increase in real estate fraud involving identity theft and the sale of vacant land and unencumbered property.

    All real estate agents must exercise due diligence to verify the owner of a property before accepting a listing.

    In the scheme, the criminal:

    • Searches public records to:
      1. Identify properties that are free of mortgage or other liens.
      2. Identify the property owner – This often includes vacant lots, long-term rentals, or vacation rentals, with targeted properties often owned by the elderly and/or foreigners.
    • Poses as the property owner and contacts a real estate agent to list the property for sale
    • Requests that the property be listed below market value to generate immediate interest.
    • Requests that no "For Sale" sign be posted on the property.
    • Requests preference for a cash buyer, quickly accepts an offer, and demands a quick closing.
    • Refuses to meet in person, preferring to be contacted through email, text, or over phone, and typically refusing video calls.
    • Refuses to attend the signing and claims to be out of state or country.
    • Demands to use their own notary, who then provides falsified documents to the title company or closing attorney.
    • Insists that proceeds are wired to them.

    On their own, these characteristics may not be red flags. But, when several or most occur, the risk becomes more apparent. Unfortunately, the scheme is usually only discovered when recording the transfer of documents with the appropriate county.

    How to prevent the scam

    As a real estate agent, before accepting a listing, you must take steps to establish and verify the identity of a property owner. Some tips to do that include:

    • Request an in-person or virtual meeting and see proper government-issued identification.
    • If they won’t meet, require them to utilize the services of third-party identity verification service provider.
    • Conduct an online search using the name of the property owner. Look for a phone number and recent photo. If you find a number, contact that person and verify they are the actual owner.
    • Send via overnight mail a copy of the electronically signed listing to the address or record with a request to confirm the listing’s accuracy. This will alert the legitimate owner of potential fraud.
    • Require that the property owner provide a copy of a voided check with the seller’s disbursement authorization form.
    • Use a wire verification service or confirm wire instructions match account details on the seller’s disbursement authorization form.

    DRE also encourages brokers to develop written policies with respect to listing properties in which the licensee and seller have never met in-person.

    Alleged cases of this or any other type of real estate fraud should be reported to local law enforcement authorities or local District Attorney’s office. If there is another real estate licensee potentially involved in the fraud, you should provide the information to DRE through

     There was a guy with an odd name on Bigger Pockets recently asking how to make Warranty Deeds so he could "move tax bids he'd won" into his name. I suggested he let escrow do that and that would keep him out of jail. Never heard another peep from him. Lol

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