Strategies that cash flow in western WA in 2023?

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@Daniel Ulie in my experience, cashflow is rarely "found". Instead, cashflow is created. This is similar to the RE saying "deals aren't found, they're made." So, the obvious question is: "ok, how do I create cashflow?" It often comes down to learning to see something in a property that other buyers don't see. For instance, being able to spot an easy opportunity to add a bedroom or a bathroom to a property...if it's an easy conversion, and it's on the right type of property in the right market, 10-20k spent to add a br and/or bathroom can pick you up an extra 500-1000 per month in rent...do the math, and you'll find that that is some incredible cash on cash return. All sorts of rehabs/conversions can turn a total loser into a cashflowing property. ...another example: I've built ADUs in previously unfinished basements, which turned properties that were $500/mo negative into properties that now cashflow 1000/mo ...the power move was rolling the construction debt into refis on other properties at lower rates, which more than negated the construction debt...in other words, I got paid to build the ADUs (these days, this isn't usually possible--or at least, it's a lot less likely--now that rates are rising...but who knows, rates might decrease again at some point...). ...Although certain rehabs/conversions can force cashflow, there is real skill and art to spotting properties that are good candidates for these types of rehabs/conversions. ...an effective rehab/conversion is often a lot trickier than HGTV would have you believe, and choosing the wrong property to do this can completely blow up the financial model. Another approach is to learn to find properties that have something that turns off other buyers, but which is irrelevant to cashflow, and irrelevant to your business model. For instance, I've bought properties in A class neighborhoods where EVERYONE wanted to live, but they were on relatively busy streets, which turned off retail buyers. However, I knew the streets weren't so busy that they would impact the rentability of the properties... I picked up the properties for a heavily discounted price (because they had sat on the market), and had no problems finding highly qualified (and high-earning) tenants that made the place cashflow right out of the gate. Another example: I once bought a property in an A class neighborhood that had an awkwardly-placed stairwell inside the front entrance, which turned off other buyers. However, I knew that the stairwell had zero impact on the actual functionality of the property, and that it would have zero impact on its desirability as a rental. Once again, the property sat on the market for a long time, I bought it at a heavy discount, and it's been cash flowing ever since. Cashflow can also be created by changing how you use the property—for instance, renting a house by the room or as MTR or STR sometimes creates cashflow. By the way: every property I own cashflows well, and every property I own was bought on the MLS between 2016 and now--during what was probably the toughest buyer's market in American history! (I didn't have to look for off market deals, do weird business arrangements, or do anything unusual at all to get these properties, even in a tough buyer's market...shocker, I know!). So, in summary: it is possible to get cashflow, but it's just not something that can be had without some effort and sacrifices...you have to go where others aren't going, and do what others aren't doing.Good luck out there! If it were possible to succeed at RE investing by buying turnkey, A class, perfect properties with no flaws, then everyone would be doing it! ...but, the reality is: RE investing takes creativity and flexible thinking, the ability to see opportunities others miss, the willingness to acquire properties others don't want, and the willingness to do what it takes to force cashflow.

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@Daniel Ulie I bought a 12 unit in Aberdeen, 2 duplexes in Tumwater and a SFR with a guest house in Shelton. When we left California for good we moved into the Shelton property. We had used it as a rental but it was never any good for CF, it is ocean front which never works well for LTR.

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@Daniel Ulie I have done SF and small multifam, and I have also converted some SF into small multifam.Much of what I described can be applied to either SF or multifam.Good luck!

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Thanks so much for the insight into your investment strategy. Is your above experience in purchasing strictly single family properties or do you have any experience in acquiring small multifamily?

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Thanks so much for the advice, what sort of rentals did you purchase in Aberdeen, shelton and tumwater? Were they single family?

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Hi Daniel! Nice to see a fellow northwestern on here. Unfortunately, it's tough to make deals cash flow up here. Locally, a lot of investors I know have to structure deals very creatively. Things like ADU's, rent by the room, AirBNB etc. Plus, it's very expensive and the COC returns are low. This is what brought me to out of state investing. I've purchased multiple properties in out of state markets that have performed well. It's easier than ever with technology. Once you have a good team it's a breeze. I'd be happy to explain how I made it happen if you're interested.

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@Daniel Ulie you have a distinct advantage from your flipping background, you are familiar with the work and expense involved in repositioning a property. It is very difficult in todays market to find properties that you can turn into cash flowing investments at current pricing and interest rates. I bought rentals in Aberdeen, Shelton and Tumwater 5-7 years ago and they made money from day one; I still have them, they are my retirement income. You might consider joining Wa Landlords Association and networking at their meetings.Air B and B, and short term rentals might work with the right property. I have not looked into that. All the best!